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do we want Edwin Jackson?

do we want Edwin Jackson?

PostPost #1 by docjj » January 26th, 2012, 5:50 pm

What kind of stuff does he throw? His numbers throughout his career certainly aren't overhwhelming. Rumor has it the O's have offered 4 years.
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Re: do we want Edwin Jackson?

PostPost #2 by ofahn » January 26th, 2012, 6:07 pm

I rather sign MICHAEL Jackson or MAHALIA Jackson or LATOYA Jackson or ANDREW Jackson or JESSE Jackson than Edwin Jackson.

Umm, that would be a NO vote.
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PostPost #3 by birdwatcher55 » January 27th, 2012, 2:34 pm

He's 60-60 lifetime...not that impressed really...I think at the end of the day he winds up with the Red Sox 8-)
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PostPost #4 by Matt P » January 28th, 2012, 2:43 am

Yes, he's better than any starting pitcher we currently have.
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PostPost #5 by ofahn » January 28th, 2012, 9:16 am

Matt P wrote:Yes, he's better than any starting pitcher we currently have.


The money can be better spent somewhere else.
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PostPost #6 by Jordan Tuwiner » January 28th, 2012, 10:32 am

docjj wrote:What kind of stuff does he throw? His numbers throughout his career certainly aren't overhwhelming. Rumor has it the O's have offered 4 years.

I would be fine giving him a three year deal, depending on the money. This guy is a ~3.5 WAR pitcher, which is worth about $15-17 million per year. I see nothing wrong giving him a 3-year, $45 million deal.
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PostPost #7 by Tucker Blair » January 28th, 2012, 11:20 am

Jordan wrote:
docjj wrote:What kind of stuff does he throw? His numbers throughout his career certainly aren't overhwhelming. Rumor has it the O's have offered 4 years.

I would be fine giving him a three year deal, depending on the money. This guy is a ~3.5 WAR pitcher, which is worth about $15-17 million per year. I see nothing wrong giving him a 3-year, $45 million deal.


I would be fine with it too.
Do I think he is really worth it in the AL East? Probably not.
But he is better than anything we currently have, and that is a fact
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PostPost #8 by Jordan Tuwiner » January 28th, 2012, 11:40 am

I think the point that needs to be made here is that when you are spending on a FA like Fielder, you are overpaying and simply investing way too much money. With Jackson, you are getting good value and there is much less risk and money involved.
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PostPost #9 by ofahn » January 28th, 2012, 12:16 pm

Jordan wrote:I think the point that needs to be made here is that when you are spending on a FA like Fielder, you are overpaying and simply investing way too much money. With Jackson, you are getting good value and there is much less risk and money involved.


Here is Jackson's line when he was at Tampa. It's NOT spectacular and IMO is not worth even 10M a year much less 15M. I just see him as a prototypical NL pitcher.

Year Age W L ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB Awards
2006 22 TBD 0 0 5.45 23 1 7 0 0 0 36.1 42 27 22 2 25 0 27 1 1 3 174 85 1.844 10.4 0.5 6.2 6.7 1.08
2007 23 TBD 5 15 .250 5.76 32 31 0 1 1 0 161.0 195 116 103 19 88 3 128 4 1 7 755 79 1.758 10.9 1.1 4.9 7.2 1.45
2008 24 TBR 14 11 .560 4.42 32 31 0 0 0 0 183.1 199 91 90 23 77 1 108 2 1 7 792 100 1.505 9.8 1.1 3.8 5.3 1.40


Maybe I'm dancing to a different tune than everyone else at the hop but I think we should be focusing on acquiring players that will either BE a productive part of the 2014/2015 teams or we should be acquiring players that WE CAN CONVERT INTO players that will BE a productive part of the 2014/2015 teams. If we signed Jackson at 3 years/45M, do you think we can trade that contract next year or the year after for quality prospects straight up? I don't.

Beat me up if you feel the need but I just think that trading for A J Burnett at 5M on each of his last two contract years is actually a lesser risk than Jackson and has a higher upside. I also think he has more trade value. If you disagree, please explain why.
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PostPost #10 by trippical » January 28th, 2012, 1:03 pm

ofahn wrote:The money can be better spent somewhere else.

Agreed. I would much rather the Os sign Jorge Soler than waste money on an expensive pitcher when they're years away from competing.
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PostPost #11 by osforlife » January 28th, 2012, 1:12 pm

ofahn wrote:
Jordan wrote:I think the point that needs to be made here is that when you are spending on a FA like Fielder, you are overpaying and simply investing way too much money. With Jackson, you are getting good value and there is much less risk and money involved.


Here is Jackson's line when he was at Tampa. It's NOT spectacular and IMO is not worth even 10M a year much less 15M. I just see him as a prototypical NL pitcher.

Year Age W L ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB Awards
2006 22 TBD 0 0 5.45 23 1 7 0 0 0 36.1 42 27 22 2 25 0 27 1 1 3 174 85 1.844 10.4 0.5 6.2 6.7 1.08
2007 23 TBD 5 15 .250 5.76 32 31 0 1 1 0 161.0 195 116 103 19 88 3 128 4 1 7 755 79 1.758 10.9 1.1 4.9 7.2 1.45
2008 24 TBR 14 11 .560 4.42 32 31 0 0 0 0 183.1 199 91 90 23 77 1 108 2 1 7 792 100 1.505 9.8 1.1 3.8 5.3 1.40


Maybe I'm dancing to a different tune than everyone else at the hop but I think we should be focusing on acquiring players that will either BE a productive part of the 2014/2015 teams or we should be acquiring players that WE CAN CONVERT INTO players that will BE a productive part of the 2014/2015 teams. If we signed Jackson at 3 years/45M, do you think we can trade that contract next year or the year after for quality prospects straight up? I don't.

Beat me up if you feel the need but I just think that trading for A J Burnett at 5M on each of his last two contract years is actually a lesser risk than Jackson and has a higher upside. I also think he has more trade value. If you disagree, please explain why.


To be fair, he was just starting out with Tampa during those stats. But I would only go after him if he price dropped even more than 3/45. I'm content with the 12 SP candidates we have now.
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PostPost #12 by Tucker Blair » January 28th, 2012, 3:48 pm

Yea it's really tough to use the stats from Tampa because he was a lot younger then. Jackson has matured a lot since then
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Re: do we want Edwin Jackson?

PostPost #13 by ofahn » January 28th, 2012, 5:12 pm

TuckerBlair89 wrote:Yea it's really tough to use the stats from Tampa because he was a lot younger then. Jackson has matured a lot since then


That's a valid point but so is that he really hasn't been dominate during the age seasons he should have been.

If he were signed to a ONE year contract for 10M I would be all for it. If he fails in the AL East - so be it, we're only on the hook for ONE year. But we're looking at a three year or more commitment at a LOT more than 10M. I just don't see him as worth that risk. Apparently, neither has the rest of baseball. Why is he the last major free agent left?

What really concerns me is a 2013 season where we have 35M tied up in a player that can't play (Roberts), one that is no longer hitting for power (Markakis), and a pitcher that is found to be unsuitable for the A L East. Doesn't make for a pretty picture. Does it?
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PostPost #14 by KnokOut » January 28th, 2012, 10:24 pm

I would like to have him be an Oriole personally. He isn't great, but he would give us a sure fire 200 inning guy who also has some solid stuff. I don't see him getting that big of a contract either from us if we were to sign him.
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PostPost #15 by Rising O's » January 29th, 2012, 2:39 pm

He won't come here but we have done a lot worse than him over the decade. It should open a clear path to trading Guthrie.
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