birdwatcher55 wrote:I would not put Prince in the "bad boy across the bar" category.
I'm not questioning Fielder's character. Just his franchise killing contract demands.
birdwatcher55 wrote:IMHO getting Fielder in here for 3 years minimum would be a big start in that direction, giving fans a reason to hope again and sending a signal to other top free agents that Baltimore is back.
To me that kind of "throw a bone to the fans" move would signal the beginning of the final death spiral of this franchise. I just see that as a way of selling tickets while the FO sings the same old tired song about how they're waiting for the farm system to develop players despite the fact that they're not committing the necessary (read that EVERY blinken nickel permitted
) resources necessary to develop ENOUGH players to make this team a consistent contender.
You build a winner through an abundant farm system and crafty trading. The best way to destroy a franchise is to sign premier "free" agents. Tracy Ringolsby has a story on Fox Sports detailing the disasters that long term, big money contracts have been for teams. Before you look at his partial list below ask yourself which current or past contract for more than five years or 50M you would take on right now.
Alex Rodriguez, 10-year, $275 million deal with the New York Yankees before 2008: He has played in fewer than 140 games in each of the first four years of the deal, only 99 games last season, and there are growing concerns about a position for Rodriguez in the next six years.
Todd Helton, nine-year, $141.5 million deal with Colorado that took effect in 2003: After hitting 25 or more home runs in each of his first seven full big-league seasons, Helton has hit 20 home runs only once in the seven years since. He has been limited to fewer than 125 games in three of the past four.
Alfonso Soriano, eight-year, $136 million deal with the Chicago Cubs before 2007: In the past three years, Soriano has hit .248 with only 70 home runs, 222 RBI and 16 stolen bases.
Jayson Werth, seven-year, $126 million deal with Washington before 2011: He responded by hitting .232 last season. But, then, what did the Nationals expect? Werth had never been more than a complementary part in his career and never has enjoyed a 100 RBI season.
Jason Giambi, seven-year, $120 million deal with Yankees before 2002: He spent the full seven years in the Bronx and was productive, but he hit .253 or lower in five of those seven seasons, including .208 in 2004. His .260 average in pinstripes was 51 points lower than what he hit in his six full seasons in Oakland before he moved to the Yankees.
Jim Thome, seven-year, $95 million deal with Philadelphia before 2003: As strong a personality as Thome is in the clubhouse, the Phillies dealt him to the Chicago White Sox after three years. Time had taken a toll on Thome, who no longer could handle the grind of playing in the field.
Carlos Lee, six-year, $100 million deal with Houston before 2007: A DH in the National League, Lee has been a defensive nightmare, even in the tiny left field at Minute Maid Park, and has epitomized the demise of the Astros in his self-centered world.
Miguel Tejada, six-year, $72 million deal with Baltimore before 2004: His defense was so shaky that the Orioles were willing to eat enough of the contract after four years that they were able to unload him on the budget-conscious Astros.
Call it the Wayne Garland factor. Teams do seem to have learned to avoid getting tied up in lengthy deals with pitchers. Only three of the 27 most recent deals of six or more years have gone to pitchers, and they have each carried a warning sign.
CC Sabathia provided more than the Yankees could have expected in the first three years of the seven-year, $161 deal he signed after the 2008 season, going 59-23 with a 3.18 ERA. There is a catch, however, Sabathia’s deal included an opt-out clause, which he exercised, and was able to turn into a five-year revision that increased the value of his eight-year commitment to the Yankees to a $181 million payday.
At least Sabathia produced for his pay.
Mike Hampton signed an eight-year, $121 million deal with the Rockies after the 2000 season, which at the time was the biggest contract ever given a pitcher. The left-hander was 42-39 in the final seven years of that deal. He pouted his way out of Colorado after two years, having gone 21-28 and losing 26 of his final 38 decisions. Besides eating a bulk of the contract, the Rockies also had to part with center fielder Juan Pierre to get rid of Hampton.
Barry Zito is heading into the final year of his seven-year, $126 million deal with San Francisco. He is 43-61 with a 4.55 ERA in his six years with the Giants after going 102-63 with a 3.55 ERA 6 1/2 seasons with Oakland.
As I understand it, your idea is to overpay for Fielder so that other players would allow
us to overpay for them, too. You know, like Carl Crawford. That contract looks like a winner. How about John Lackey? How much of his contract do you think that Boston would eat to move him? Or maybe A J Burnett. How much of his contract do you think that the Yankees would eat to move him
? Do you think that the Angels won't regret the absurd Pujols contract or that the Marlins won't rue the day they "won" the Reyes sweepstakes?
The reason that there are so few desirable
"free" agents on the market each year is that teams sign those players they think are worth keeping to contracts they see as a fair value. The players they see as "addition by subtraction" due to their contract demands or their personalities are allowed
to become "free" agents. THOSE
are the guys I understand you want us to over pay. Can you not see the fallacy in that?
I understand your frustration after 14 years of losing and your desire to see a winner ASAP; however, there aren't any shortcuts. Again, you build a winner through an abundant farm system and crafty trading
. Even the Yankees, who have more money than God's banker, built their dynasty ten years ago out of their farm system. At a minimum Jeter and Rivera from that group are going to the HOF so they had some pretty good talent to build from
scares me is that Angelos might actually
do what you're suggesting, except he would stop
there. Add a big name to sell tickets and improve the ratings on his TV network. Remember, he makes money on the Orioles AND the Nationals games as a result of the deal he made with MLB to allow the Nats to move to Washington. Heck, the fact that the Nats are about to have a winner by doing it the right way (player development and strategic trades) puts money in ole Peter's pocket.
I can only hope that Buck Showalter will insist on a proper rebuild. If Dan Duquette comes to him with the news that they are going to sign Fielder I would hope the conversation would go like this:
DD - Buck, we've signed Fielder for three years.
BS - Dan, are you going to be able to spend what's necessary for us to add the talent necessary to support him?
DD - Sorry, Peter feels this will be all that's necessary to be a winner.
BS - Oh, come on Dan, you know we have too many holes and nothing in our system to fill them this year or next.
DD - Look, Buck, I agree but Peter won't give me anymore money so this is going to be it for a while.
BS - Alright Dan, I understand that your hands are tied. I'm going back to my office to call Peter and tell him I quit. I can't build a winner like this.
Think that scenario is impossible? The only part I see as even a bit of a stretch is the "I quit" part.http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/albe ... off-122811