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Which Players Would You Drop From The 40 Man Roster?

Re: Which Players Would You Drop From The 40 Man Roster?

PostPost #31 by Shorebirdfan » November 18th, 2011, 9:31 pm

Thanks googled it and found same thing. Concerned about Joseph and Miclat.
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Re: Which Players Would You Drop From The 40 Man Roster?

PostPost #32 by ofahn » November 25th, 2011, 9:07 am

With the Rule 5 draft less than two weeks away and the Orioles roster at 40 players it will be interesting to see which players are dropped to make room for any new acquisitions.

Anyone want to make a guess?
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Re: Which Players Would You Drop From The 40 Man Roster?

PostPost #33 by osforlife » November 25th, 2011, 12:40 pm

ofahn wrote:With the Rule 5 draft less than two weeks away and the Orioles roster at 40 players it will be interesting to see which players are dropped to make room for any new acquisitions.

Anyone want to make a guess?


I think Viola and Florimon should be no doubt about ers.
I would also consider Bell, Snyder, Hudson, Vandenhurk, Tillman, and Reyes.

I do have a few questions though. If we drop any of these players from our 40-man and they have the minor league service time or whatever, are they eligble for the Rule 5 draft?
If we drop them from our 40-man are they still in our organization or put on waivers for anybody to claim them?

thanks.
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Re: Which Players Would You Drop From The 40 Man Roster?

PostPost #34 by thezeroes » November 25th, 2011, 4:42 pm

From the Forty to the Minors the players must go through "Waivers". If they have enough service time or have been through the "Waiver" process before they can become "Free Agents". This is how I understand the process of dropping players from the "Forty" and if wrong I would stand corrected.
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Re: Which Players Would You Drop From The 40 Man Roster?

PostPost #35 by Why Not? » December 1st, 2011, 9:59 pm

Yes, being taken off the 40-man exposes the player to waivers. That's the reason that guys like Florimon are on the 40-man and more desirable players like Miclat/Joseph are left off. Teams probably can't afford to keep Miclat/Joseph on the 25-man all year. Losing a Florimon or Viola isn't really a loss as similar replacements shake loose from other rosters all of the time.
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Re: Which Players Would You Drop From The 40 Man Roster?

PostPost #36 by ofahn » December 11th, 2011, 7:48 pm

This week we'll find out whether we're going to tender Bergesen, Scott, and Reyes.

I wouldn't offer any of them arbitration but I would offer Bergy a contract for about half of what he might get in arbitration. He might feel slighted by "just" getting 700K but I'm not sure he would get a ML contract anywhere else.
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Re: Which Players Would You Drop From The 40 Man Roster?

PostPost #37 by j.q. higgins » December 13th, 2011, 8:02 am

it will be interesting to see what bergesen's contract offer is. eveland's contract at 750K is a little reassuring.
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Re: Which Players Would You Drop From The 40 Man Roster?

PostPost #38 by ofahn » December 13th, 2011, 9:49 am

j.q. higgins wrote:it will be interesting to see what bergesen's contract offer is


MLB Trade Rumor's estimate is about 1.4M. The Bergy of 2009 is worth twice that. The last two years' model, not so much.
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Re: Which Players Would You Drop From The 40 Man Roster?

PostPost #39 by ofahn » January 26th, 2012, 9:49 am

Two months ago I posted this list of cuts I would make from the 40 man roster. When Rick VandenHurk was DFAed to make room for Wilson Betemit everyone on my Definite Cut List is no longer on the 40 man.

I made this list for myself every year during the Andy MacPhail era and could never seem to think the same way he did. Each year I would include players like Armando Gabino and Pedro Viola on my definite cuts and we would seem to go into spring training with them. I could never figure out whether the team evaluated these stiffs differently than I did or that they simply weren't willing or able to sign better players. The fact that virtually ALL of the deadwood (IMO) is gone gives me hope that DD knows what he's doing.

Definite Cuts
Jeremy Accardo - GONE no longer a proven ML talent. I would offer him a generous minor league deal with a spring invite
Willie Eyre - BACK W/ MINOR LEAGUE DEAL no longer a proven ML talent. I would offer him a generous minor league deal with a spring invite
Chris Jakubauskas - GONE no longer a proven ML talent
Rick VandenHurk - ??? WILL KNOW IN A FEW DAYS he's a AAAA pitcher
Pedro Viola - GONE he's a AAAA pitcher
Jake Fox - GONE no room for his glove on our bench. If we could get by with an 11 man bullpen I would love to have his bat. I would offer him a generous minor league deal with a spring invite
Cesar Izturis - GONE a free agent we don't need anymore
Vladimir Guerrero - GONE a free agent we don't need anymore

On The Bubble
Brandon Snyder - GONE he could be a ML sub but he'll have to admit to himself that's his ceiling
Clay Rapada - can be an effective LH specialist, if we can afford a reliever that will only pitch to one or two batters
Brad Bergesen - just not the same pitcher he was in 2009. Might need a fresh start somewhere else.
Jason Berken - see Bergesen
Jo-Jo Reyes - GONE a lefty but not a ML starter. Maybe he can win a bullpen role.
Josh Bell - MIGHT BE THE NEXT TO BE MOVED TO CLEAR A ROSTER SPOT does not have the plate discipline to be an ML regular nor the glove to be an effective reserve
Pedro Florimon Jr. - GONE speed does not win you a spot on a ML roster. May hang on for one more year while Machado works his way to AAA.

Here is a link for the current 40 man Orioles' roster http://orioles.mlb.com/team/roster_active.jsp?c_id=bal.
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Re: Which Players Would You Drop From The 40 Man Roster?

PostPost #40 by ofahn » February 6th, 2012, 1:35 pm

Here's an update on the list:

Definite Cuts
Jeremy Accardo - GONE no longer a proven ML talent. I would offer him a generous minor league deal with a spring invite
Willie Eyre - BACK W/ MINOR LEAGUE DEAL no longer a proven ML talent. I would offer him a generous minor league deal with a spring invite
Chris Jakubauskas - GONE no longer a proven ML talent
Rick VandenHurk - GONE he's a AAAA pitcher
Pedro Viola - GONE he's a AAAA pitcher
Jake Fox - GONE no room for his glove on our bench. If we could get by with an 11 man bullpen I would love to have his bat. I would offer him a generous minor league deal with a spring invite
Cesar Izturis - GONE a free agent we don't need anymore
Vladimir Guerrero - GONE a free agent we don't need anymore

On The Bubble
Brandon Snyder - GONE he could be a ML sub but he'll have to admit to himself that's his ceiling
Clay Rapada - GONE can be an effective LH specialist, if we can afford a reliever that will only pitch to one or two batters
Brad Bergesen - just not the same pitcher he was in 2009. Might need a fresh start somewhere else.
Jason Berken - see Bergesen
Jo-Jo Reyes - GONE a lefty but not a ML starter. Maybe he can win a bullpen role.
Josh Bell - MIGHT BE THE NEXT TO BE MOVED TO CLEAR A ROSTER SPOT does not have the plate discipline to be an ML regular nor the glove to be an effective reserve
Pedro Florimon Jr. - GONE speed does not win you a spot on a ML roster. May hang on for one more year while Machado works his way to AAA.

DD has cleared out the deadwood but, like some others, I'm not thrilled with the return on the Guthrie trade. I also wonder if we could have gotten something for Rapada if we had tried to trade him earlier in the winter. Bergesen and Berken are probably still here because they have an option left.

Here is a link for the current 40 man Orioles' roster http://orioles.mlb.com/team/roster_active.jsp?c_id=bal.
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Re: Which Players Would You Drop From The 40 Man Roster?

PostPost #41 by ofahn » April 17th, 2012, 4:36 pm

Here's an update on the list:

Definite Cuts
Jeremy Accardo - GONE no longer a proven ML talent. I would offer him a generous minor league deal with a spring invite
Willie Eyre - BACK W/ MINOR LEAGUE DEAL no longer a proven ML talent. I would offer him a generous minor league deal with a spring invite
Chris Jakubauskas - GONE no longer a proven ML talent
Rick VandenHurk - GONE he's a AAAA pitcher
Pedro Viola - GONE he's a AAAA pitcher
Jake Fox - GONE no room for his glove on our bench. If we could get by with an 11 man bullpen I would love to have his bat. I would offer him a generous minor league deal with a spring invite
Cesar Izturis - GONE a free agent we don't need anymore
Vladimir Guerrero - GONE a free agent we don't need anymore

On The Bubble
Brandon Snyder - GONE he could be a ML sub but he'll have to admit to himself that's his ceiling
Clay Rapada - GONE can be an effective LH specialist, if we can afford a reliever that will only pitch to one or two batters
Brad Bergesen - just not the same pitcher he was in 2009. Might need a fresh start somewhere else.
Jason Berken - see Bergesen
Jo-Jo Reyes - GONE a lefty but not a ML starter. Maybe he can win a bullpen role.
Josh Bell - DESIGNATED FOR ASSIGNMENT does not have the plate discipline to be an ML regular nor the glove to be an effective reserve
Pedro Florimon Jr. - GONE speed does not win you a spot on a ML roster. May hang on for one more year while Machado works his way to AAA.

Here is a link for the current 40 man Orioles' roster http://orioles.mlb.com/team/roster_active.jsp?c_id=bal.
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Re: Which Players Would You Drop From The 40 Man Roster?

PostPost #42 by Zach » April 17th, 2012, 4:46 pm

Since Bergesen and Berken are on the AAA roster I don't think that it is that big of a deal that they remain on the 40 man roster. Out of all of those listed, they have the most value even if it is just in a bullpen role on the major league roster. Berken has proven to be effective in the past. There isn't anyone out there who would legitimately help this active roster and thus these two aren't doing any damage to the organization by being on the 40 man roster.
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Re: Which Players Would You Drop From The 40 Man Roster?

PostPost #43 by DougDE » April 17th, 2012, 6:49 pm

Judging by stats it appears Berken is pitching pretty well at Norfolk. On another note, Jai Miller appears to be the only hitter doing even remotely well. Some real bad offensive numbers down there right now
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Re: Which Players Would You Drop From The 40 Man Roster?

PostPost #44 by Old Sneakers » April 18th, 2012, 12:34 pm

Jason Berken has value to the organization today, this season and beyond. He may not get another crack at being in the rotation but when healthy he's a solid long reliever. As for Bergesen, I honestly didn't expect him to ever duplicate what he did in 2009. I must say though I find it odd that he's not carved a spot similar to Berken. Neither had overwhelming stuff but something went really wrong here.
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Re: Which Players Would You Drop From The 40 Man Roster?

PostPost #45 by Matt P » April 20th, 2012, 1:23 am

Matt P wrote:Jeremy Accardo
Brad Bergesen
Chris Jakubauskas
Rick VandenHurk
Pedro Viola
Willie Eyre
Jake Fox
Josh Bell
Pedro Florimon Jr
Cesar Izturis
Brandon Snyder
Kyle Hudson
Vlad Guerrero

None of them are good enough to play in the majors now or anytime soon. I would extend minor league offers to all of them except for Vladdy and Izzy. I may be a little disappointed if we lost Bergesen and Bell to other organizations but the others I could care less about.


Bergesen is the only one remaining from my list now that Bell is off the 40 man. They were the last two I wanted off and will be the last 2 to go off. Good decisions by DD :)
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