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O’s Showing Signs of Improvement with Int. Talent

O’s Showing Signs of Improvement with Int. Talent

PostPost #1 by Jordan Tuwiner » June 26th, 2011, 11:05 pm

http://orioles-nation.com/2011/06/27/os ... al-talent/

One of the constant criticisms about the Baltimore Orioles front office is their lack of involvement in the international market. The Orioles need to do whatever it takes to gain advantage over the Red Sox or Yankees, and one would think that increased spending -- or at least stockpiling of international talent -- would be a rather simple way of doing so.

However, Andy MacPhail has stated numerous times that scouting in Latin America is difficult, because the players are limited to performing in workouts and are not able to be seen in game action. Combine that with the fact that in Latin American steroid problems are common, and you can start to see where the Orioles' hesitance comes from.

But teams like the Rockies, Mariners and Yankees have had success by increasing their international spending and stockpiling talent. It's discouraging as a fan to see other teams having success in this area while the Orioles seem uneager to go out and duplicate other teams' successes, and gain a much needed advantage to get out of the AL East cellar. And, as Luke Jackson stated on Twitter, it seems as if MacPhail's statements are more of an excuse than a reason for being outdone.

Two years ago it seemed as if the Orioles had made strides as they gathered enough international players to field two Dominican Summer League teams. But prior to the 2011 season they returned to fielding just one DSL team.

While the loss of a DSL team is discouraging at a time when such great emphasis is being put on the Orioles' international efforts, they are finally starting to show signs of life.


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Re: O’s Showing Signs of Improvement with Int. Talent

PostPost #2 by ofahn » June 27th, 2011, 10:44 pm

I can understand Andy Mac's concern about paying for "a pig in the poke" but that doesn't explain why more money isn't spent on the Rule 4 (June) draft.

We're NEVER going to out spend the Yanks or the Sux for free agents (nor should we try) but we CAN out scout and out develop them if we invest in the process.

There seems to be some doubt as to whether we will sign our sixth round choice, Nick Delmonico. Apparently, the kid is looking for top ten money which equates to about 1.5M. If Jordan feels the kid has that kind of talent then they should make the investment. That's about the same money we're paying Izturus this year, and power hitting 3B don't grow on trees.

IF we want a consistent winner then we need to build a farm system equal to what the Rangers or Royals have today and you don't get that from clipping coupons.
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PostPost #3 by Rising O's » June 28th, 2011, 11:14 pm

I'd rather see them mirror what Texas does. As far as I know Texas does not make headlines for international signings but their farm systems seems to be full of talent.

BTW nice article on some of these guys, with supporting quotes from scouts. It really does giveme some hope that our farm system will produce a lot more ML talent three years from now.
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Re: O’s Showing Signs of Improvement with Int. Talent

PostPost #4 by Jordan Tuwiner » June 28th, 2011, 11:32 pm

ofahn wrote:There seems to be some doubt as to whether we will sign our sixth round choice, Nick Delmonico. Apparently, the kid is looking for top ten money which equates to about 1.5M. If Jordan feels the kid has that kind of talent then they should make the investment. That's about the same money we're paying Izturus this year, and power hitting 3B don't grow on trees.

IF we want a consistent winner then we need to build a farm system equal to what the Rangers or Royals have today and you don't get that from clipping coupons.

$1.5 million is overpaying for Delmonico but I would still offer him the money.

Add Delmonico to Schoop, Machado, Narron, Givens, and you have a solid group of left side of the infield prospects.
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PostPost #5 by Jordan Tuwiner » June 28th, 2011, 11:36 pm

Rising O's wrote:I'd rather see them mirror what Texas does. As far as I know Texas does not make headlines for international signings but their farm systems seems to be full of talent.

BTW nice article on some of these guys, with supporting quotes from scouts. It really does giveme some hope that our farm system will produce a lot more ML talent three years from now.

Colorado is best at signing a bunch of guys and turning a good number of them into top prospects. Texas has shelled out some big bonuses to guys like Martin Perez and Jurickson Profar, who's probably the second best SS prospect in the minors behind Machado.

And, thanks! Was surprised to find scouts at a GCL game, let alone one that was pretty high up in his org.
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PostPost #6 by Don » June 29th, 2011, 10:08 am

Colorado has been a free agent nightmare for pitchers for a long time. They have been buying international arms for years because the organization knew this was the only real other path outside the draft to bring in arm that could help them compete long term. They do not sign the real big names, but will grab a lot of the second tier players for very low 6 figures. If they sign ten of those guys and two pan out, which one of those is sitting in the rotation right now, it pays off.

Orioles seem to be going down this path the last two seasons and outside of Hector Veloz, they have quitely grabbed a number of second tier guys. Having a few friends in the international ranks, I have an idea how active they plan to be this year, but do not expect a big splash. I do expect them to be more active overtime.

I also think the grey area is being removed slightly because the young hitters and pitchers are playing in UA and other showcases in the United States. It is not a great deal of game, but even a handful along with the DPL shifting towards more game action to go with the skill drill, the teams are getting better reads on players.
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