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A.J. Burnett Will Pitch In 2014, Test Open Market

Re: A.J. Burnett Will Pitch In 2014, Test Open Market

PostPost #31 by ofahn » February 12th, 2014, 1:11 pm

TuckerBlair89 wrote:Burnett has agreed to a 1yr deal with the Phillies.

As much as I think he would have been an asset I would NOT have paid him 16M to join a team that he, alone, was not going to make into a legitimate playoff contender.
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PostPost #32 by Old Sneakers » February 12th, 2014, 1:33 pm

The writing is on the wall here. The team will not spend to improve. Signing Burnett would have gone a long way toward giving the team's prospects/replacement players a chance to develop.

I have to think we will see Gausman, Wright and Rodriguez this season on the Baltimore-Norfolk express more than once. I hope they aren't ruined by the experience.
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Re: A.J. Burnett Will Pitch In 2014, Test Open Market

PostPost #33 by ofahn » February 12th, 2014, 2:24 pm

Old Sneakers wrote:Signing Burnett would have gone a long way toward giving the team's prospects/replacement players a chance to develop.

I agree, but NOT at 16M.

We REALLY only need someone for about three months until Gausman should be ready. If we need to over spend a million or so on Capuano then you're looking at about 3M instead of 16M.

Let's face it. IF everyone on this this team, as it's CURRENTLY constituted, has EXACTLY the same years as they did last season we would win about 78 games. How much would have Burnett improved that? Five wins; maybe?

The REAL reason this team is not a playoff contender in 2014 is NOT because we had a bad winter (let's be honest; there wasn't much worth signing, anyway), it's because ownership did not allow the FO to spend on the draft and International talent from 2007 to 2010.

The reasons the crop of #3 SPs (that's ALL they were) didn't want to come here without being stupidly overpaid were

1) We're in the AL
2) We're in the AL EAST
3) Camden Yards is NOT a pitchers park
4) Our ownership has not inspired confidence that it's committed to building a winner

When Andy MacPhail took over in the summer of 2007 he said he intended to "grow the arms" and then did very little to plant the seeds. Our farm system at that time was almost barren and the 25 Man Roster needed to be completely rebuilt. The team reduced ML payroll by about a cumulative 80M over the next three seasons and spent very little of that on adding or developing talent. In fact, we actually reduced our farms teams by two.

IMO the best thing that can happen this year is to hit the 81 game point as a 35 win team so that DD can make the argument to Angelos that we need to move at least Davis and Wieters as part of the rebuilding process.
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PostPost #34 by osforlife » February 12th, 2014, 7:16 pm

AJ Burnett to the Orioles made too much sense. He's a Maryland native, available on a one year deal, comes without draft pick compensation, and very well could have been the best starting pitcher in the rotation. The Orioles fans have been promised a relocation of financial sources, and have been promised a starting pitcher, and haven't gotten one yet. It's frustrating seeing a potential fit after potential fit sign with other teams, especially ones where Baltimore was considered in the running for. I like Burnett, but $16MM is a slight overpay IMO. A salary at more than the qualifying offer is a little extreme for a 37 year old who just came off his best season. However, a $2MM difference shouldn't be enough to back away at this point in the off-season. The good news is, it looks like there is a good chance the Orioles will sign Suk-Min Yoon. Hopefully after that, Baltimore signs Chris Capuano too. Oliver's 2014 projections for AJ Burnett and Chris Capuano;

AJ Burnett; 4.02 ERA, 3.75 FIP, 1.34 WHIP, 2.44 SO/BB
Chris Capuano; 4.06 ERA, 4.09 FIP, 1.33 WHIP, 2.93 SO/BB

The Orioles could sign Capuano for 1/4 of the cost of Burnett, for likely very similar production.
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PostPost #35 by ofahn » February 13th, 2014, 10:16 am

Seafordeagles wrote:Paul Maholm just signed for a guaranteed $1.5MM.

...in LA. It's a big park in the NL.

IMO there's absolutely NO WAY he would have accepted even twice that amount from us because he's looking at rebuilding his value so he can score a multi year contract next winter.
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PostPost #36 by ofahn » February 13th, 2014, 10:19 am

osforlife wrote:in the American League, with the designated hitter, most of the time, the best available hitter is already at the plate. Or else, the greater hitter would already have been at the plate by now.

Yes, but ONLY if that hitter was available on the bench and having that fifth option makes that a possibility.
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PostPost #37 by ofahn » February 13th, 2014, 10:26 am

osforlife wrote:The Orioles need more than Suk-Min Yoon.

OK, but to what REALISTIC end? IMO this won't be a legit championship team until it fixes its fundamental flaws and that can only be done with at least a partial reboot.

You have suggested this winter that we add Chris Capuano and at this point I agree. Not as the "final piece", but as a place holder to allow Gausman to properly develop.
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PostPost #38 by osforlife » February 13th, 2014, 12:13 pm

ofahn wrote:...in LA. It's a big park in the NL.

IMO there's absolutely NO WAY he would have accepted even twice that amount from us because he's looking at rebuilding his value so he can score a multi year contract next winter.

I'm not sure Los Angeles is currently the best place to rebuild Maholm's value. Right now, it looks like he's not even going to crack the rotation. Kershaw, Greinke, Ryu, Haren, Beckett, Maholm, Billingsly, and Fife. He might not even be 6th on the depth chart.
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