Dons0's wrote:It'd be nice if the offense would get out of this slump and give the pitching some support. I also think Adair should be fired at the end of the season, there is really no improvement in our pitching besides Tillman/Chen. We are picking up solid starters yet rank almost last in every pitching category. Something needs to change,.
Last year Adair was the savior and this year he's crap. It's so easy to blame the pitching coach. It's his fault that Jim Johnson blew those saves, it's his fault that Pedro Strop flat out sucked, it's his fault that Hammel has struggled.
Don't fault the players, blame the pitching coach. Makes a ton of sense to me, yeah let's fire him.
Dons0's wrote:Why not put some of the blame on him?? We have had all this young talent, yet this team can't seem to develop any of it besides Tillman when they finally make it to the bigs.
Dons0's wrote:Tillman/Matusz/Arrieta/Britton just to name a few. The countless starts that the pitchers fail to get ahead in the count time and time again and yet we blame it ALL on the players?? Why even have a pitching coach then? A staff that leads the league in HRs given up by a long shot?
Why not put some of the blame on him?? We have had all this young talent, yet this team can't seem to develop any of it besides Tillman when they finally make it to the bigs.
Tillman/Matusz/Arrieta/Britton just to name a few. The countless starts that the pitchers fail to get ahead in the count time and time again and yet we blame it ALL on the players?? Why even have a pitching coach then? A staff that leads the league in HRs given up by a long shot?
I understand that the pitchers are the ones out there on the field, but to have a blind eye and get ticked off when some one calls out Adair after this team hasn't had good pitching in the longest time, to seem unfair? Is pathetic.
osforlife wrote:Norris gives us another middle of the rotation starter to go with Chen, Gonzalez, and Tillman for next year. But is he really worth two of our top ten prospects, and what would be another top ten prospect next year? Ugh. Someday, when I'm GM...........
The Orioles announced the signing of Dariel Alvarez, a 24-year-old outfielder from Cuba. Alvarez had modest numbers in his final season Cuba and the skeptical scouting reports to match. Playing for Camaguey in Serie Nacional in 2011-12, Alvarez hit .272/.343/.392 in 319 plate appearances, which puts him a little below league average in both on-base percentage and slugging in the Cuban league, and eighth on his own team in OBP.
Scouts didn’t have many positive things to say about Alvarez. Several scouts said he struggles against live pitching, with an uppercut righthanded swing that has effort in it to try to lift the ball with occasional power. His best tool is his arm, and at one point there was talk about Alvarez converting to pitching, but the Orioles signed him as a hitter.
Alvarez, who is 6-foot-2, 180 pounds, did hit better the previous season in Cuba in 2010-11, when he batted .363/.404/.613 with 20 home runs in 376 plate appearances, his only productive season in the league. The Orioles said Alvarez will report to high Class A Frederick after reporting to Sarasota this week. His signing is not subject to the 2013-14 international bonus pools.
Trust me, I'm not ticked off and i'm also not pathetic in thinking that the blame goes on Adair. The easiest thing to say (and I think it's a major cop out on your part) is to "fire the pitching coach".
I'm also pretty sure that there have been "countless" times that he has told our pitchers to get ahead in the counts. YES, I blame the pitchers for not getting ahead in the counts, NOT THE PITCHING COACH. I blame the pitchers for throwing a crap fast ball down the middle of the plate when they have 2 strikes on the batter. Yes I blame the pitchers for walking too many hitters.
These are professional baseball players not little leaguers and it's the same pitching coach who did a marvelous job last year and it's the same pitching coach this year.
Dons0's wrote:Then why have pitching coaches? I don't understand, for Adair to not take some of the blame is just looking the other way. I'm not saying the staff should hold themselves accountable, but Adair is part of the issue.
Your first sentence is absolutely absurd and ridiculous, so I won't address that statement. The issue is YOU made him the issue, only you, and no one but you.
Another thing you are here stating you want Adair fired when in reality you have no clue what Adair does. You have no clue what he says to the pitchers during the game, after the game, or before the game. You see him as the scapegoat. I see him as an asset who is well respected pitching coach in major league baseball.
ofahn wrote:With all due respect you've answered your own questions.
Rick Adair is the MAJOR LEAGUE pitching coach. He can only work with what has been sent to him. If a pitcher has had incomplete development in the minor leagues you can't blame that on someone who doesn't have any contact with these pitchers until they reach Baltimore.
I think we also must be realistic about the quality of SP talent we have right now. Chen is somewhere between a #2 and #3 SP with the upside of a #2. Tillman is between a #3 and #4 SP with the upside of a #2. Gonzalez and Feldman have the upside of a #3, and Norris a #4. This is NOT the 1971 starting rotation.
Again, this is a DEVELOPMENTAL problem. We have a long history of rushing pitchers to Baltimore before they're ready. Instead of teaching them how to get ML hitters - players that don't swing at everything that's thrown at them - out, we let them rack up big minor league numbers and then act surprised that they aren't ready for prime time.
Look at Gausman. IMO he clearly wasn't ready to be promoted and showed it. Now he's back in AAA learning how to get ML hitters out and is resistant to changing his approach because he thinks he's just a phone call away from Baltimore. IMO the best thing about over paying for Norris is that Gausman will now know that he'll be at Norfolk until at least September 1st and will now have no other choice but to listen to the instruction he's being given. I wouldn't be surprised to see a significant improvement through the upcoming month.
Dons0's wrote:So, pitchers are done developing when they hit the bigs?
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 9 guests