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Time to bring up Jonathan Schoop at 2B?

Time to bring up Jonathan Schoop at 2B?

PostPost #1 by rauserka » May 8th, 2013, 7:18 am

Jonathan Schoop is playing a solid 2B for the Tides this season. According to Baseball-Reference.com, he has committed 5 errors on the season at SS position, while playing 13 errorless games at 2B.

Does anyone think the O's should bring him up for some major league experience at 2B? Not sure how much of an upgrade at the plate he would be over Ryan Flaherty, but I can't imagine him being much worse. I have always been a Ryan Flaherty supporter, but something's got to give with his offense.

Flaherty has been very good defensively this year for the Birds. He's not going to wow you with his glove, but you have to love his consistency.

With Brian Roberts meeting with a specialist on his hamstring injury yesterday, one has to wonder what the O's will do about their 2B dilemma. Who knows, maybe giving Ryan Flaherty as many ABs as possible will start to help. But at the same time, I'm starting to wonder if our long term answer at 2B is the 21 year old Schoop. Okay, I know that bringing him up to play 2B probably won't result in the same kind of outcome as Machado last year, but you have to admit that it is pretty exciting thought.

I truely believe that defense wins championships. It showed last year down the stretch for the Birds. Maybe that is the reason Flaherty is in the lineup everynight. They are getting great defense as of late (minus a few mishaps), which is resulting in more visits to the Win column. And right now, getting the W is all that matters.

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Re: Time to bring up Jonathan Schoop at 2B?

PostPost #2 by ofahn » May 8th, 2013, 8:31 am

rauserka wrote:Does anyone think the O's should bring him up for some major league experience at 2B?


IMO it would be premature. After a slow start in AAA he's again showing his ability to adapt and adjust, BUT I would feel more comfortable if he went through those pitching staffs at least one more time.

We should probably table this discussion for another 30 days.
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Re: Time to bring up Jonathan Schoop at 2B?

PostPost #3 by Old Sneakers » May 8th, 2013, 10:59 am

Oh my God... No!
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Re: Time to bring up Jonathan Schoop at 2B?

PostPost #4 by birdwatcher55 » May 8th, 2013, 2:56 pm

I would hold off until trade deadline to see if (a) Roberts can return and be useful; (b) Flaherty starts to figure out major league pitching or (c) we make a run at Chase Utley. If none of those scenarios play out, then I would have him on our roster and starting 2B on Aug. 1 8-)
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Re: Time to bring up Jonathan Schoop at 2B?

PostPost #5 by osforlife » May 8th, 2013, 4:24 pm

No. I don't think I'm being very far off here if I say that Jonathan Schoop wouldn't be a successful player at the majors right now. I think there is a chance that the current second base group is equally bad as he would be. Right now, he's a dead red fastball hitter, who hasn't been made accustomed to a position yet. Just because a prospect has talent, doesn't mean you move him up. He's a raw 21 years old, playing at an affiliate he shouldn't be playing at, doesn't play GREAT defense, has little speed, and is hitting a whopping .248 .325 .333 at AAA, on top of a whopping .245 .324 .386 at AA last year. No question, he is one of the most talented prospects in our system, and one of the best fastball hitters in minor league baseball. But, give him some time. At the earliest he should be called up should be at the beginning of 2014. At this point, the only reason he would get called up, is because the second basemen on the Orioles suck, not because he earned it. Jonathan Schoop should be in Bowie, not Baltimore.
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Re: Time to bring up Jonathan Schoop at 2B?

PostPost #6 by Old Sneakers » May 8th, 2013, 5:16 pm

osforlife wrote:No. I don't think I'm being very far off here if I say that Jonathan Schoop wouldn't be a successful player at the majors right now. I think there is a chance that the current second base group is equally bad as he would be. Right now, he's a dead red fastball hitter, who hasn't been made accustomed to a position yet. Just because a prospect has talent, doesn't mean you move him up. He's a raw 21 years old, playing at an affiliate he shouldn't be playing at, doesn't play GREAT defense, has little speed, and is hitting a whopping .248 .325 .333 at AAA, on top of a whopping .245 .324 .386 at AA last year. No question, he is one of the most talented prospects in our system, and one of the best fastball hitters in minor league baseball. But, give him some time. At the earliest he should be called up should be at the beginning of 2014. At this point, the only reason he would get called up, is because the second basemen on the Orioles suck, not because he earned it. Jonathan Schoop should be in Bowie, not Baltimore.


Agree with this. Let him get some at bats. Repetitions. Develop. Maybe next year. When / if he's ready.
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Re: Time to bring up Jonathan Schoop at 2B?

PostPost #7 by ofahn » May 8th, 2013, 5:22 pm

osforlife wrote:Jonathan Schoop should be in Bowie, not Baltimore.


This is the only part of your post I disagree with. IMO Schoop belongs in AAA and has shown he can make the adjustments there. I wouldn't be surprised to see him posting an .800 OPS by the end of June.

That being said, I don't see any valid reason at this point to rush him and 2014 looks reasonable.
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Re: Time to bring up Jonathan Schoop at 2B?

PostPost #8 by LA Detective » May 8th, 2013, 8:11 pm

I would still like to see Flaherty go down with the idea of getting him right and gain confidence. That way he can get back up here sometime in June and we can evaluate him again before the trade deadline. I still think he can be a .270 15HR guy and this might be the best/fastest way to get him there. He has already shown he can play D.

This does not include bringing up Schoop. He would have to show he is crushing the ball over a long period of time AND that he has good plate discipline. I don't think his K/BB ratio shows he has this part down yet. If not the scouts will pick him apart up here.
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Re: Time to bring up Jonathan Schoop at 2B?

PostPost #9 by Old Sneakers » May 9th, 2013, 4:37 am

Food for thought: These top 10 lists create expectations all their own. In a months time if the team doesn't blow it. Johnathan Schoop becomes the team's 5th or (with good luck) 6th best prospect. Yes, he's in the upper minors but he's still so much room to improve that as fans we think "In a years he will be ready" like it's a given. That is hardly fair or reasonable. Schoop has the talent to be first rate but sometimes players take longer than you would hope before being ready. I know the Major League club has needs. However, we should let Schoop press the issue on the field. Remember the team's needs in 2009 when Brian Matusz got promoted to Baltimore? That did not work out so well. Yes, doing a solid job in the 8th inning. Though his potential was a front end starter. Would you have Schoop take the same path and be a first rate utility player? Not me.
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Re: Time to bring up Jonathan Schoop at 2B?

PostPost #10 by birdwatcher55 » May 9th, 2013, 9:28 am

I think right now Schoop is probably our #2 prospect (and maybe #1 depending on Gausman's progress) when you subtract a questionable Dylan Bundy from the list 8-)
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Re: Time to bring up Jonathan Schoop at 2B?

PostPost #11 by osforlife » May 10th, 2013, 8:22 pm

I fail to see why the organization is so eager to move up a 21 year with little speed, and a .245 .324 .386 merit a promotion to AAA. The only fielding statistic available in the minors is fielding percentage, and that is a very questionable stat, especially in the minors. Machado had a .954 fielding percentage at AA, but played gold glove defense in the majors. So, I don't really pay much attention to fielding in the minors. Whether or not his defense was more than ready to be moved up, Schoop barely kept him head above water in AA. Why move him to AAA then without knowing if he can succeed at AA? I just don't get minor league promotions/demotions sometimes.
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Re: Time to bring up Jonathan Schoop at 2B?

PostPost #12 by Jordan Tuwiner » May 10th, 2013, 10:15 pm

osforlife wrote:I fail to see why the organization is so eager to move up a 21 year with little speed, and a .245 .324 .386 merit a promotion to AAA. The only fielding statistic available in the minors is fielding percentage, and that is a very questionable stat, especially in the minors. Machado had a .954 fielding percentage at AA, but played gold glove defense in the majors. So, I don't really pay much attention to fielding in the minors. Whether or not his defense was more than ready to be moved up, Schoop barely kept him head above water in AA. Why move him to AAA then without knowing if he can succeed at AA? I just don't get minor league promotions/demotions sometimes.

The Orioles have been aggressive in promoting Schoop, but he can handle it. He's a hard worker, takes instruction well, and wants to succeed -- very similar to Manny Machado. If there is any player in the org. who can handle these tough promotions, it's Schoop. I have no problem with him at AAA and would rather he be challenged there than be in AA again. Give him time and I promise he will begin to produce.

You have to see him live to truly understand what kind of bat this guy has. His batting practice is a show and scouts say he has some of the best bat speed in the minors. He needs to work on the off-speed stuff and the pitchers in AAA give him more to learn from in that area.

In terms of fielding, Schoop has all of the tools. I think he will be slightly above-average at 2B or average at 3B. He has a strong arm and great instincts.
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Re: Time to bring up Jonathan Schoop at 2B?

PostPost #13 by mikezpen » May 11th, 2013, 8:01 am

Bring him up?

No! No! No!
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Re: Time to bring up Jonathan Schoop at 2B?

PostPost #14 by mikezpen » May 11th, 2013, 8:20 am

I believe I said...NO!!
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Re: Time to bring up Jonathan Schoop at 2B?

PostPost #15 by osforlife » May 11th, 2013, 8:49 am

I just hope they don't rush him to the majors in desperation of production at 2B, especially if he isn't dominating at AAA, which he likely will not do.
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