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Orioles Trade Luis Ayala

Orioles Trade Luis Ayala

PostPost #1 by ofahn » April 10th, 2013, 1:47 pm

Braves Acquire Luis Ayala
By Steve Adams [April 10 at 1:13pm CST]

The Braves have acquired right-hander Luis Ayala from the Orioles in exchange for minor league lefty Chris Jones, the Orioles announced (on Twitter).

As Roch Kubatko of MASNsports notes (on Twitter), the move allows the team to call up outfielder Chris Dickerson and makes it easier to keep Rule 5 pick T.J. McFarland on the 25-man roster.


Remainder of the story here http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/04/b ... ayala.html

Here's a link for the player we acquired http://www.baseball-reference.com/minor ... nes-010chr
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Re: Orioles Trade Luis Ayala

PostPost #2 by ofahn » April 10th, 2013, 1:52 pm

I see this as a good trade. Ayala was surplus, it allows us to keep McFarland, and we get a 24 YO LH with a high K ratio. IMO it's win-win.
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PostPost #3 by Old Sneakers » April 10th, 2013, 2:01 pm

I will remember Louis Ayala as one our team strengths last season and wish him all the best in Atlanta.

As for Chris Jones, statistically it looks like a sound move. Hopefully he will be ready to contribute and be a team strength soon and for a significant amount of time. Let's just pray that TJ McFarland has many more brilliant appearances proving himself well worth the trouble.

Jones clearly is not a finished product yet. His WHIP was pretty high at AA last season. Though only surrendering 1 HR in 60 IP is impressive.
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PostPost #4 by Jordan Tuwiner » April 10th, 2013, 2:34 pm

ofahn wrote:I see this as a good trade. Ayala was surplus, it allows us to keep McFarland, and we get a 24 YO LH with a high K ratio. IMO it's win-win.

Agreed, I also see this as a good deal.

I don't think Ayala is a bad pitcher, but I certainly think that the Orioles have better options and enough depth.
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PostPost #5 by birdwatcher55 » April 11th, 2013, 11:20 am

This move worries me for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is clubhouse chemistry. I hope it works out. I understand Jones is nothing to write home about, but time will tell I guess :(
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PostPost #6 by ofahn » April 11th, 2013, 11:52 am

birdwatcher55 wrote:I understand Jones is nothing to write home about


What do you base that on?
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PostPost #7 by A_K » April 11th, 2013, 12:16 pm

I know nothing about Jones. I know Ayala isn't very good. I know the team seems to really like what it has in McFarland, and this trade makes it easier to retain him all year. Seems like a perfectly fine, though probably insignificant little trade.
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PostPost #8 by Old Sneakers » April 11th, 2013, 2:31 pm

Chris Jones
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=jones-010chr

Again he isn't a finished product. However, he could become a good bullpen piece with a little more development time. The road to the majors isn't always a fast one.

As for the trade. This was more about TJ McFarland and keeping him with the team. If he is as good as all the trouble the team has gone through to keep him... Wow! We may really have something!

Considering McFarland and the need to improve the team's bench. I would state this is a good move.
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PostPost #9 by ofahn » April 11th, 2013, 3:28 pm

Old Sneakers wrote:Chris Jones
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=jones-010chr

Again he isn't a finished product. However, he could become a good bullpen piece with a little more development time. The road to the majors isn't always a fast one.

As for the trade. This was more about TJ McFarland and keeping him with the team. If he is as good as all the trouble the team has gone through to keep him... Wow! We may really have something!

Considering McFarland and the need to improve the team's bench. I would state this is a good move.


Well said. POINTS!
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PostPost #10 by A_K » April 11th, 2013, 3:45 pm

I hope this nonsense with rule five picks doesn't become a yearly thing. I mean, really, what's the upside with McFarlane? We play roster games to keep him around all year, and then our great reward at the end of it all is... a lefty specialist?

Last year we went out of our way all year to keep Flaherty around, and the great reward was, a no-hit utility infielder who plays average defense and doesn't run the bases well?

We're putting an awful lot of effort into finding a way to retain players who are generally just organizational filler. It's a pretty odd strategy in a lot of ways.

But, Ayala stinks, so who cares?
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Re: Orioles Trade Luis Ayala

PostPost #11 by ofahn » April 11th, 2013, 3:54 pm

A_K wrote:I hope this nonsense with rule five picks doesn't become a yearly thing. I mean, really, what's the upside with McFarlane? We play roster games to keep him around all year, and then our great reward at the end of it all is... a lefty specialist?

Last year we went out of our way all year to keep Flaherty around, and the great reward was, a no-hit utility infielder who plays average defense and doesn't run the bases well?

We're putting an awful lot of effort into finding a way to retain players who are generally just organizational filler. It's a pretty odd strategy in a lot of ways.

But, Ayala stinks, so who cares?


That post sounds like you're at about 8.7 on the frustration meter.
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PostPost #12 by A_K » April 11th, 2013, 4:00 pm

Oh, no I'm not so frustrated. I think it's kind of stupid to go through all the trouble, but if we're just talking about the 25th man on the roster anyway, it really doesn't matter.

It's a Catch-22 of sorts. The fact that we're dealing with the 25th man on the roster shows that it isn't worth all this trouble, but it also shows that it's really not worth getting worked up about, either. So, just a general observation, really.
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Re: Orioles Trade Luis Ayala

PostPost #13 by ofahn » April 11th, 2013, 4:33 pm

A_K wrote:Oh, no I'm not so frustrated. I think it's kind of stupid to go through all the trouble, but if we're just talking about the 25th man on the roster anyway, it really doesn't matter.

It's a Catch-22 of sorts. The fact that we're dealing with the 25th man on the roster shows that it isn't worth all this trouble, but it also shows that it's really not worth getting worked up about, either. So, just a general observation, really.


After reading your previous post (which, BTW, was based in logic IMO) I came to understand that trade as this: In effect, we traded Ayala for McFarland AND Jones. While neither of those two may ever make the All Star Game, at least McFarland has the potential of being something more than a LOOGY.

IMO this is one of those trades that will be a line item in the story of our championship season in a few years.
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PostPost #14 by Old Sneakers » April 11th, 2013, 6:49 pm

Kinda tough to predict what McFarland's role will be long term with only one appearance (though it was a very good one). My guess is that the team really likes him or saw potential trouble within it's own bullpen and this was the answer to it.
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Re: Orioles Trade Luis Ayala

PostPost #15 by osforlife » April 12th, 2013, 3:25 pm

If the Orioles management if so intent on keeping McFarland, why not keep Ayala, keep McFarland, and send Brian Matusz down? Luis Ayala is not a late inning bullpen arm, but he will eat up some valuable middle relief innings. His contributions for this year alone will probably be more than Chris Jones ever provides us. Good peripherals but a bad WHIP. I don't really like trading average relievers. The value you get from them is likely more than what you would get from a organizational prospect. Also, Ayala's character will surely be missed. I don't really like the trade but is really doesn't mean much. Neither Chris Jones nor Luis Ayala will make a substantial impact at the major league level this year or years to come.

You guys probably know by now that I hate rushing minor league players to the majors. This is why I am a bit eerie towards Rule V players. Neither Flaherty nor McFarland had an extended amount of time at AAA and did not perform well there. I think both have a pretty good future but Flaherty should not be in the majors right now.
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