osforlife wrote:You said Mickey Mantle & Willie Mays had to be sent down to the minors. That is what our young pitchers should do. They shouldn't be given rotation spots because they have potential. They should have to earn their spots, like everybody else. All three pitchers were TERRIBLE LAST YEAR. Until they prove they can pitch effectively in the minors, they really should not be given a spot on a major league roster. None of them were good at AAA last year, who knows if they can even dominate AAA hitters? If they can't pitch great in AAA, how in the world are they supposed pitch GOOD against major league hitters. Chris Tillman, his future was all but lost. Fortunately, Rick Petersen worked with him and look at what Tillman did in the majors. Maybe Petersen can work his magic with them too. The majors is not a place to be experimenting & tweaking. The minors is, and all of them have to change something.
Seafordeagles wrote:You HAVE to go with your best players
Old Sneakers wrote:I know many pitchers bounce to and from the minors before becoming finished products. However, it really is time for both of those guys to put up or shut up.
Seafordeagles wrote:When players reach their mid 20's and have been in the system for at least 5 years I think the proper development time for most players has been done.
Seafordeagles wrote:And yes ofahn I want to win now. I know you want to wait 2 or 3 years for the players to develop.
You misunderstand my desires. I would LIKE to win now, but I'm not willing to risk a LONG run of winning seasons for a few extra (maybe meaningless) wins this year.
Seafordeagles wrote:I can't find a risk like you stated.
My observation of the "Risk" with these pitchers that are on the proverbial bubble is that several of them are at their last option year. With this being the last year to send them down for seasoning and development it is best IMO to do this early in the year after some spring training success/failure than later in the year after having failed at MLB Level.
Look at Jake Arrieta in 2012. He was by default the opening day starter. He struggled at times until it became obvious he needed help in early July. His replacement was in Norfolk applying his new found mechanics and was called back to the parent club. He performed almost flawlessly until season end. He is now considered on of four starters going forward. Now it would seem the short term training and presumed loss of Tillman now will enhance both the Orioles chances of winning this year and beyond whether by performance or by his overall value if needed as trade bait.
Thank you. That was well considered and carefully explained.
Seaford, I can understand the desire for instant gratification, but in the middle Eighties I worked out at the same gym as Rich Dauer and he told me that when he asked Earl Weaver how he always seemed to know JUST what was going to happen in a big situation, Earl told him that when everyone else was playing CHECKERS, he was playing CHESS. In essence, the game wasn't won with the NEXT move, it was won by being ready with the BEST move when it was needed.
Osforlife eloquently explained that Matusz, Britton, and Arrieta have much higher ceilings than Steve Johnson and T J McFarland, BUT if those two guys can pitch well enough to earn a spot on the team out of ST the organization will benefit from at least two of the former Cavalry developing into reliable and effective SPs. They could contribute this year and be desirable trade bait at the deadline or this coming winter.
We have a real chance of having an extra THREE legitimate young SPs available this winter, and we'll be at the point where we may be ready to spend those chips on the last piece necessary to bring a championship back to Baltimore. IMO THAT'S worth a LOT more than three or four meaningless extra wins this year.
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