A_K wrote:The relevant point is that it's perfectly rational to acknowledge that closers, as a group, are generally overrated, even while the greatest closer to ever live (Rivera), has incredibly high value.
POINTS!
Post #31 by ofahn » January 14th, 2013, 6:47 pm
A_K wrote:The relevant point is that it's perfectly rational to acknowledge that closers, as a group, are generally overrated, even while the greatest closer to ever live (Rivera), has incredibly high value.
Post #32 by Seafordeagles » January 14th, 2013, 6:54 pm
Post #33 by A_K » January 14th, 2013, 6:56 pm
Post #34 by Seafordeagles » January 14th, 2013, 6:59 pm
A_K wrote:By no means. You're entitled to your opinion. I just don't share it.
Post #35 by DougDE » January 14th, 2013, 9:06 pm
osforlife wrote:I wrote that and I'd make that trade again in a heartbeat. Jim Johnson is a very good reliever but:
1. he racked up a bunch of saves because our team put him in the situation to do so(so many one run games)
2. we will likely see a drop in production(converting saves and pitching stats)
3. Darren O'Day was a better reliever in almost every category last year(ERA, FIP, xFIP, SIERA, WHIP, H/9, K/9, BB/9, avg against)
4. Jim Johnson's value is high right now, no?
5. Jim Johnson and Darren O'Day both had a WAR of 1.4 last year. Relief pitchers aren't as valuable as many think and I believe a team will overpay to get an effective late inning reliever.
Jim Johnson and JJ Hardy are quality players, nobody is doubting that. I'm also sure no fan of the Orioles would want to see them go, as they were big parts of the magical run of 2012. But the job of the Front Office is to do what is best for the team, not what is best for their personal affections for certain players. I would gladly take the best third base prospect in baseball and a young pitcher who I'd take over Zach Britton, Jake Arrieta, Tommy Hunter, Brian Matusz, and Steve Johnson, when what we'd be giving up would be positions that we have players to fill their spots, and potentially perform better.
Post #36 by birdwatcher55 » January 15th, 2013, 1:14 pm
Post #37 by ofahn » January 15th, 2013, 1:18 pm
birdwatcher55 wrote:Reading some of these posts I really have to laugh. Why are we so anxious to break up one of the top bullpens in baseball?? Who replaces Johnson if he is dealt?? And please don't say Strop!!
Post #38 by A_K » January 15th, 2013, 1:31 pm
Post #39 by ofahn » January 15th, 2013, 2:10 pm
A_K wrote:But I digress.
Post #40 by birdwatcher55 » January 15th, 2013, 3:03 pm
A_K wrote:Ahhh, remember those heady days of 2010 when there was widespread agreement that Jim Johnson, dominant as he was as a set-up man, just didn't have the intestinal fortitude to make it as a closer?
Post #41 by ofahn » January 15th, 2013, 6:56 pm
birdwatcher55 wrote:I blame Tremblay for much of that nonsense. Buck had the smarts to see JJ had exceptional stuff
Post #42 by LA Detective » January 15th, 2013, 8:26 pm
Post #43 by birdwatcher55 » January 16th, 2013, 3:56 pm
LA Detective wrote:I believe in the above reasons and I do remember that Trembley rode JJ pretty hard through the season. I always thought JJ would have an arm injury. I remember the times that he was tried as a Closer and it was later in the year when JJ wasnt really pitching well at the time. All indications were his arm was tired. I have always wondered until last year what JJ would do with a fresh arm.
I am sure DD/Buck have the right info for a possible move but for me it would take alot to break up what appears to be an ingredient for winning.
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