Seafordeagles wrote:At the time Roberts signed his contract it was a steal. I would have blamed Angelos for not extending Roberts. Or if anyone is to blame then blame Roberts for beating himself in the head with a bat. That was the real problem.
If you think the Roberts extension was so ill advised in my opinion you are totally wrong. The ill advised part was beating himself in the head. Angelos did the right thing in signing Roberts who was at the top of his game and was arguably one of the top lead off hitters in the game. The hip has nothing to do with the 2 seasons he lost. The trade offer the Orioles were offered was total crap like you touched on. That was the best offer the Orioles received.
Please reread what I wrote.
Well here's what you wrote and this is what I based "my opinion" on:
Brian Roberts was given an ill advised contract extension because Peter Angelos thought he knew better than competent baseball people. If you want to be angry at anyone I would suggest you focus on him.
I've now reread it 5 times and in my opinion I disagree with your assessment.
He should have been traded during the 2007 and 2008 off seasons for a pile of prospects to fill a completely barren farm system, but Peter Angelos didn't want to give up one of the few attractions he thought would bring in the fans. His meddling prevented us from getting some talent that would have been part of a winning team now. You could also argue that the 28M in salary Roberts earned from 2009 to 2011 (less the 10M his replacement would have cost) could have been used in the draft and international signings when there wasn't any restrictions on the amount a team spent. Just imagine how we could match up with other teams for trades right now if we had just two more Schoops and two more Delmonicos or Bridwells.
Yes, I'm aware that the package that the Cubs were supposedly offering was a bunch of crap, but we'll never really know what a team that needed a 2B at that time would have offered if Roberts had ever REALLY been put on the market. Imagine one more Tillman or Adam Jones in our system at this point.
Apparently, in that frenzy of rereading you missed this:
It CLEARLY provides a counterpoint to why Roberts extension was not a "steal".
Seafordeagles wrote:You have your opinion and I'll have mine
Seafordeagles wrote:Prospects=Suspects, that's a quote from a well known general manager. I have to agree with him because less than 10% of all prospects actually have a decent major league career.
Seafordeagles wrote:The guy was solid and great until the bat incident
I don't think anybody would argue that with you but I think one of the key points is the organization was not in a position to give him an extension at that time. They were (or at least should have been) in full rebuild mode and while prospects are far from sure things, I agree with ofahn that Roberts should have been flipped for prospects at that time because that's what rebuilding teams should do. A rebuilding team shouldn't give a fairly large contract extension to an aging middle infielder that lasts through his age 35 season. That is a recipe for disappointment for any team but especially a rebuilding team who can't really afford such a mistake.
Seafordeagles wrote:There was not any other deals that were made public.
Seafordeagles wrote:He should have not been flipped for the Cubs prospects (and he wasn't) and that was the best deal on the table.
It's a shame you didn't just post THAT statement instead of preceding it with this one.
ONE of them is based on reality and the other isn't.
dan72 wrote:his downfall was completely his own doing
dan72 wrote:He did bash himself in the head with a bat.
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