thezeroes wrote:If a pitcher goes six innings and gives up 3 Earned Runs this would qualify for a Quality Start. If this pitcher did that for thirty starts and got a QS for each start he would end up with an ERA of 4.50. This would be deemed a success by the standards established for "The Quality Start". Just Saying
Matt P wrote:He's never pitched a full season with an ERA under 4.30 as a starter. Not sure how a 4.30 ERA is "very successful". He did have a very successful finish to his 2010 season but not a full season.
Jordan Tuwiner wrote:You wouldn't call Matusz's rookie season a success? 4.05 FIP, solid 7.33 K/9, less than 3 BB/9, and 2.8 fWAR.
Matt P wrote:Your argument for him being deemed a success is the exact same argument that many stat people use to show that quality starts is not a good stat.
Jordan Tuwiner wrote:He started 32. I'm talking about 2010.
Not saying he was a success but stating that by the standards of the quality start he exceeded the 4.50 ERA threshold. Personally I think they should add an inning to the Quality Start and make it seven innings pitched and three earned runs or less as this would work out to an era of 3.86 and have a better yardstick to measure by.
Matt P wrote:I'm not saying it was bad I'm just saying I don't think it was a "very successful full season".
His ERA was over 5 before he got on that run at the end of the season for 8 or 9 games and everyone started thinking he could be an Ace or a solid #2 starting pitcher.
Jordan Tuwiner wrote:I would call it pretty successful. His rookie FIP- was better than the rookie FIP- of Madison Bumgarner, Zach Britton, Matt Moore, Tommy Milone, and even Wei-Yin Chen.
Plus, you can't just hand select a number of starts to throw away when it comes to a season's worth of data.
Matt P wrote:All I am saying is that I don't think it was a full season of being very successful. He wasn't very successful for the full season, just for 8 or 9 starts (forget the exact number). Why can't we select a number of starts when it comes to judging a full season to determine if the entire season was a success?
Jordan Tuwiner wrote:Should we throw away a random hot streak the Orioles had this season?
Maybe the entire season was not filled with success, but I would call the season as a whole very successful.
thezeroes wrote:Personally I think they should add an inning to the Quality Start and make it seven innings pitched and three earned runs or less as this would work out to an era of 3.86 and have a better yardstick to measure by.
Matt P wrote:I would consider a teams success and a pitcher who pitches every fifth day's success two entirely different subjects.
Jordan Tuwiner wrote:The point is you can't just exclude those outings because they came at the end of the season. Would you think differently if those 8 or 9 outings had come in the middle of the year?
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