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Angels "aggressively trying to move Dan Haren and Ervin Santana"

Angels "aggressively trying to move Dan Haren and Ervin Santana"

PostPost #1 by Jordan Tuwiner » October 30th, 2012, 10:05 pm

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Expe ... ren-103012

Be prepared for the Angels to make at least one trade this week. At this point, it will be an upset if they do not.

The team, according to major-league sources, is aggressively trying to move right-handers Dan Haren and Ervin Santana before deciding on their respective — and expensive — club options for 2013.

“I think they trade both guys,” one rival executive said Tuesday.


O's should look into both of these guys IMO, but especially Haren.

Angels would probably pick up some of the money, and if Haren bounces back the O's have a true ace. If he doesn't return to form you at least have a guy who can eat innings and pitch with around a 4.00 ERA.
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PostPost #2 by Old Sneakers » October 31st, 2012, 2:22 am

Santana had a rough year last year but is younger and cheaper. You throw out last season and its a completely different story.
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PostPost #3 by ofahn » October 31st, 2012, 8:26 am

Jordan Tuwiner wrote:http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Expect-Los-Angeles-Angels-to-make-trade-Ervin-Santana-Dan-Haren-103012



O's should look into both of these guys IMO, but especially Haren.

Angels would probably pick up some of the money, and if Haren bounces back the O's have a true ace. If he doesn't return to form you at least have a guy who can eat innings and pitch with around a 4.00 ERA.


As "free" agents that would just cost money I would seriously consider both of these guys because of their upside. Looking at the huge list (and growing) of SPs available I could see either of these guys signing for between 6 and 8M.

For a trade to make sense to the Angels they would need to get back a pretty good piece if they're going to eat 5 to 8M. I don't see us as having the surplus talent or prospects to give up for a one year contract on a pitcher that isn't a sure thing.

I would rather wait until they just cost money and see how much that would be.
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PostPost #4 by ofahn » October 31st, 2012, 8:27 am

Old Sneakers wrote:Santana had a rough year last year but is younger and cheaper. You throw out last season and its a completely different story.


I posted before that I thought he might be the best buy of the off season.
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PostPost #5 by Matt P » October 31st, 2012, 10:28 am

I wouldn't hate bringing in either guy but I wouldn't give up anything of worth for them.
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PostPost #6 by Seafordeagles » October 31st, 2012, 12:17 pm

For me the approach would be to sign Saunders before even considering those guys.
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PostPost #7 by birdwatcher55 » October 31st, 2012, 2:46 pm

I would pass on both.. nothing here that excites me to be honest 8-)
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PostPost #8 by A_K » October 31st, 2012, 2:50 pm

I'd be in favor of the Orioles bringing in either or both players. These are precisely the types of veteran acquisitions the team should be pursuing.
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PostPost #9 by Jordan Tuwiner » October 31st, 2012, 3:54 pm

https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/statu ... 6247606272

Source: #Royals acquire Ervin Santana from #Angels. Return not yet known.
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PostPost #10 by ofahn » October 31st, 2012, 4:29 pm

Jordan Tuwiner wrote:https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/statuses/263745186247606272



Solid move. KC REALLY needed pitching. Hope it works out for them EXCEPT when they play us.
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PostPost #11 by Seafordeagles » October 31st, 2012, 4:38 pm

Jordan Tuwiner wrote:https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/statuses/263745186247606272



They got him for a 27 year old minor league pitcher Brandon Sisk
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PostPost #12 by ofahn » October 31st, 2012, 4:51 pm

Seafordeagles wrote:
They got him for a 27 year old minor league pitcher Brandon Sisk


Essentially, the Angels sent KC the buy out money on the contract and got a fringe prospect back. KC probably paid 3 or 4M more than Santana would have gotten on the open market but they knew they would not have been in his top three or four choices UNLESS they were willing to pay him his option money. This way KC avoids the negotiations and gets a potential #2 SP.

Smart move by Dayton Moore. He knew he would need to pay a premium to get a top pitcher to go there and he bit the bullet and did what he had to.
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PostPost #13 by osforlife » October 31st, 2012, 5:25 pm

I thought I read somewhere that Ervin Santan had lost velocity. Still a strong back-bounce candidate. Solid move by the Royals. They could get good real soon with some pitching. I’d be okay with pursuing Haren. I wonder how aggressive they’ll be to move him now that Santana is off their hands. I won’t wanna give up much to get him though. We can always buy a one year rental.
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PostPost #14 by birdwatcher55 » October 31st, 2012, 6:35 pm

I would not touch Santana. 8-)
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PostPost #15 by ofahn » October 31st, 2012, 6:36 pm

birdwatcher55 wrote:I would not touch Santana. 8-)


Good idea. He might punch you if you did.
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