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Chris Tillman: The Good, Bad, and Unknown

Chris Tillman: The Good, Bad, and Unknown

PostPost #1 by Jordan Tuwiner » July 9th, 2012, 10:05 am

http://orioles-nation.com/2012/07/09/ch ... ad-unkown/

This writeup is just some observations from Chris Tillman‘s most recent start. This is not a report because you need to see a few more outings before shaking out where he is at this time. His overall performance from the box score draws great reviews. But digging a bit deeper, Tillman still needs to find some consistency and improvements to maintain effectiveness over the long haul.
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Re: Chris Tillman: The Good, Bad, and Unknown

PostPost #2 by birdwatcher55 » July 9th, 2012, 11:50 am

I think you have to toss out Tillman's performance in Seattle and take it for what it was: a good effort against a predominant AAAA lineup. I want to see what he does against the likes of Detroit and Cleveland before I rush to annoint him as our new pitching savior 8-)
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Re: Chris Tillman: The Good, Bad, and Unknown

PostPost #3 by Tucker Blair » July 9th, 2012, 11:51 am

birdwatcher55 wrote:I think you have to toss out Tillman's performance in Seattle and take it for what it was: a good effort against a predominant AAAA lineup. I want to see what he does against the likes of Detroit and Cleveland before I rush to annoint him as our new pitching savior 8-)


I disagree. This is the Majors. You don't toss out anything. I wouldn't use it as a benchmark for the future, but i don't throw it out.
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Re: Chris Tillman: The Good, Bad, and Unknown

PostPost #4 by Rising O's » July 9th, 2012, 12:24 pm

Tillman is a perfect example of the Orioles destroying natural talent for some greater good. A 95 plus mph pitcher turned into a guy who could barely hit 90.

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Re: Chris Tillman: The Good, Bad, and Unknown

PostPost #5 by birdwatcher55 » July 9th, 2012, 4:27 pm

He was roughed up today in Bowie. This was a dumb organizational move in my opinion. A side session would have been suffice 8-)
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Re: Chris Tillman: The Good, Bad, and Unknown

PostPost #6 by Ampontan » July 9th, 2012, 11:39 pm

birdwatcher55 wrote:He was roughed up today in Bowie. This was a dumb organizational move in my opinion. A side session would have been suffice 8-)


It was, in effect, a side session, but against real players. He threw nothing but fastballs. He was only going to throw 70 anyway. I wouldn't read too much into it.
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Re: Chris Tillman: The Good, Bad, and Unknown

PostPost #7 by thezeroes » July 10th, 2012, 6:07 pm

Ampontan wrote:
It was, in effect, a side session, but against real players. He threw nothing but fastballs. He was only going to throw 70 anyway. I wouldn't read too much into it.


This is what I had thought was the reason for the non than stellar box score line. As Buck has said and repeated often enough, "Pitching starts and ends with fastball command" so it would be reasonable to think that that was the reason for the start at Bowie. IMO.
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Re: Chris Tillman: The Good, Bad, and Unknown

PostPost #8 by BuckMagic » July 11th, 2012, 7:37 pm

Yeah, I am not putting too much stock into the start.

I am amazed at this sudden velocity and plan to enjoy it. I love flamethrowers and I believe if he continues to average 95 mph that will be in the top 10 highest FB averages? Is that correct?
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Re: Chris Tillman: The Good, Bad, and Unknown

PostPost #9 by Tucker Blair » July 11th, 2012, 7:44 pm

Tillman is the type of guy that you really need to watch before putting much thought into anything. It's really tough to do that sometimes, and I think a lot of us (including myself) get excited or frustrated from box scores we see.

Just have to train yourself to not get overly emotional on either side.
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Re: Chris Tillman: The Good, Bad, and Unknown

PostPost #10 by Jordan Tuwiner » July 11th, 2012, 7:47 pm

BuckMagic wrote:Yeah, I am not putting too much stock into the start.

I am amazed at this sudden velocity and plan to enjoy it. I love flamethrowers and I believe if he continues to average 95 mph that will be in the top 10 highest FB averages? Is that correct?

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... 0&sort=3,d

He'd be #3.
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