docjj wrote:I have stood up for the man for the past several years. I bought in to his "grow the arms" philosophy.
Now I'm glad his contract is up.
I was reading about the 51 win Pirates just now. There's a team that's been as bad as us or worse for about the same duration. Now they're a 51 win team. And us? Just look in the cellar like always.
Let's see how our wonderful arms are. Matusz? His fastball went from 94 MPH to 88. He can't get AAA hitters out. Tillman? Gee- the same thing. Fastball went from 95 MPH to 88 and he can't get AAA guys out. Britton- hot start, now back in Double-A. Bergesen- a flash in the pan. Arrieta- Probably doing the best, but his arm will probably fall off considering how many pitches it takes him to get through the 6th inning of most games.
How about Joe Jordan? Another guy I've been defending. Well, looking at first and second round picks, I'm not sure his track record is any better. Rowell, Ryan Adams, Matt Hobgood, Xavier Avery, Mychal Givens, etc. Somehow, I think we're not going to end up like the Pirates any time soon with these guys.
We are as far away from being a decent team, as when we dealt Bedard to the Mariners. The cupboard is barren.
Hobgood was a stud when I scouted him. I mean highly projectable and worth the price of admission. I was really high on Shelby Miller that season and was hoping one of these two landed in the later stages of round one. If I were Jordan, Miller was my choice, but maybe he did not get the feeling that Miller wanted to come to Baltimore. It does happen. Hobgood wanted to come and was a talented player ranked 15 or 16 on my board.
ofahn wrote:I don't necessarily blame Jordan for the Hobgood selection because I don't know what (if any) financial restrictions Joe was placed under for the 2009 draft.
I have always felt that Hobgood was a bad choice, NOT because he won't develop into a MLB pitcher but, because I felt we needed a pitcher that was close to MLB ready due to the lack of that in our system at the time. Hobgood may end up having a higher ceiling than Mike Leake but Leake would be a much better option to fill a starter's role than some of the other stiffs we have run out their lately.
I don't think he was under financial restrictions. He just chose to go light with the first round pick so he could spend money on overslots.
ofahn wrote:I don't think he was under financial restrictions. He just chose to go light with the first round pick so he could spend money on overslots.
I don't mean to split hairs BUT, for a system that was so completely lacking in talent at the point, it would seem to be a financial constraint if the scouting director wasn't given sufficient resources to obtain as much talent as possible. IMO, Jordan is STILL being hamstrung by an underfunded budget.
dan72 wrote:Here is my problem with MacPhail. He is not sticking to his grow the arms policy. We can all agree the the common mark of all good teams is good pitching. Hernandez struggled as a starter but looked good out of the pen in the second half. He had the best fastball in the entire organization. So we trade him for a guy that will make 35 errors, strike out 200 times and bat a whopping .220. Yeah I know he can win games with the long ball but he can lose games with his glove so what have we gained by aquiring Reynolds??? As hard as pitching is to come by, I'd much rather have Hernandez back. He has been dominate as a reliever. Oh thats right we are good with relievers, we have two of the best in Gonzalez and Gregg....... Two more good pick ups by MacPhail.
The Pirates have a lights out closer, yet another position that we struggle with. how many games has Gregg blown, keep inmind he doesn't get many chances either. When you're up late in games you have to close them out.
dan72 wrote:Joe Jordan-please draft some college pitching. These high school kids are long range projects at best. A complete roll of the dice. At least college kids have played at consistant level of competition.
Every day I wake up I wonder how different the Orioles would be with Tim Lincecum as our #1. Yeah we passed him up for who???
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