Seafordeagles wrote:The most wasted spot on the roster is David Lough. Find a left handed bat to replace him.
osforlife wrote:I disagree. According to baseball-reference, Lough has been more valuable than Nick Hundley, Ryan Flaherty, Steve Clevenger, Brad Brach, Preston Guilmet, Tommy Hunter, Brian Matusz, Ryan Webb, and Ubaldo Jimenez. He's been equivolent in value to Delmon Young, Jonathan Schoop, and Chris Tillman.
Look, David Lough plays great defense, backups center field, is cheap, has more speed than 85% of Baltimore's active position players, and is under control through the 2019 season. He is half a season removed from a 2.5 WAR season in 96 games in his rookie season. He has shown he can hit at the AAA level and major league level. For what it's worth, his OPS on May 31st was .434 and today it is .579. He did hit .296 in June, albeit limited at-bats.
Has he been a huge disappointment thus far? Yes.
Should he sit the bench in favor Steve Pearce? Yes.
Is he still a solid bench piece for the club? Yes.
Could he be useful next season when Nick Markakis, Nelson Cruz, and Delmon Young all hit in the free agent market? Yes.
Is it really a smart move to DFA him, lose him to another team, in order to call up 29 year old Quintin Berry, when Berry will be called up in about a month anyway? No, it is not.
Since you started the thread on a back up player I've tried to tell you we need a LEFTHANDED HITTER to come off the bench. We have nothing. Flaherty is a roster spot being used for a mediorcre player. Clevenger has not proven he can hit major league pitching. Lough had a 1/2 season of moderate success in the majors. This year he has tanked.
You want to trade our most reliable hitter off the bench. Young got signed for a song and has produced. Yet you wanted to know if we should trade Young and you want to keep non producing players. That totally baffles me.
osforlife wrote:Again, Lough and Young have been equivalent in value this year. Lough produces defensively, Young produces offensively. So when you say I want to keep non producing players, I really don't know what you're talking about. Unless you consider Young as a non producing player. So when you say Lough has tanked this season, you consider Young has tanked too right?
In their career's, Lough has been worth 3.0 WAR. Young has been worth 2.4 WAR. In other words, Lough has been 20% more valuable than Young, in 18% of his playing time.
This is ridiculous. You are judging Lough's value on defense for basically one inning as a defensive replacement. Then you say this:
"Unless you consider Young as a non producing player."
When you know I said that Young got signed for a song and has produced. Please don't twist around what I said.
Seafordeagles wrote:war doesn't win you championships. You are way too much into these kind of numbers. Then you bring up if the orioles were in the national league. C'mon man that's way off base and not a realistic comparison, because that ain't NEVER gonna happen.
Quit looking at the hypothetical side of baseball. Look at what is happening now. How can you say the Young and Lough are equal? Oh, that's right, war told you so.
Seafordeagles wrote:When it comes to left fielders I want them to be able to hit. I want my defense strong up the middle. Historically the weakest fielders play left field, Lough is an exception to that. Lough usually plays left field one inning a game, and that's what you do not or will not understand. His bat is killing the orioles when he gets a start. You can't say the same thing for Young's bat.
Every good team wants pop from someone on the bench and Young is the only player that can do that on the current Orioles. If you need someone to hit for a starter I want Delmon Young to be the hitter in a crucial situation. I could never say that this year about David Lough.
Seafordeagles wrote:When you get into THAT PROJECTION CRAP you totally lose me. Come back to the real world, the real game and quit forcusing on what is projected. I deal with reality not projections. In reality we have 4 lefthanded hitters on the roster. Three are struggling big time. That's why in my opinion we need a lefthanded bat to come off the bench who can maybe hit .260 with a little pop. The obvious guy to trade is Lough or send Flaherty to the minors if we can secure that lefthanded hitter (Chase Utley comes to mind).
Did they also project that Manny would have back spasms last night or someone has to go on the bereavement list?
This cybergeeking crap is a losing battle for me. So long.
Since when are statistics crap?
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