osforlife wrote:There's absolutely no reason why Clevenger should be in the minors. The man has a .329/.386/.455/.841 career batting line in AAA for heaven's sake. He has nothing left to prove at AAA. I understand Joseph has been surprisingly good at defense, but a .409 OPS in unacceptable. I like the acquisition of Hundley, although I don't like what the Orioles gave up for him. Joseph needs to show he can hit AAA pitching first.
It's all about defense. Buck has already been quoted saying that about Clevenger. Even though I don't disagree with your statement about his hitting.
Then you have to trust in Buck. After all it's his decision.
On another note, what has happened with this site? It's totally dead.
Seafordeagles wrote:Here's why Clevenger is down and Caleb is up. This from MASN today:
Orioles catcher Caleb Joseph does not yet qualify for the American League defensive league leaders. If he did, his caught stealing percentage of 52 percent would be tops in the AL.
A player needs to appear in 50 percent of his team's games to qualify. Joseph has played in 33 of 83 Orioles games.
The AL leader is Robinson Chirinos of the Texas team the O's face tonight. He has caught 48.8 percent. The Yankees' Brian McCann is second at 45.5 percent.
Joseph has thrown out 13 of 25 for the season. He clearly is doing a very solid defensive job for the Orioles. Manager Buck Showalter talked yesterday about Joseph and that impressive caught stealing percentage.
Here's the link: http://www.masnsports.com/steve-melewsk ... ntage.html
osforlife wrote:I have a hard time believing that Caleb Joseph is really that good of a defensive catcher. There are an overwhelming amount of scouting reports that say he was not good defensively. Maybe he has improved a little, but to become the best catcher in the American League? No way. Hell, last year the Orioles moved him off of catcher and only moved him back because there was a need there. I'm sure his defensive numbers will regress after a larger sample size comes into play. Do I have hope his offensive numbers will get better? Not really. The Orioles obviously thought he wasn't ready to be moved up to Norfolk until after four years at Bowie. He did hit well eventually there, but only after two seasons there(his age 26 and 27 seasons too). He went on to play in 22 games for Norfolk and didn't hit that well. I hate the trending policy in baseball where it's okay to move up a player to a new level without that player proving himself at that level. Jonathan Schoop hasn't hit well since Frederick, and he obviously has no business being in the majors. I don't understand why organizations can't let these players earn it. Have Joseph show he can hit AAA pitching before facing MLB pitching.
Well don't ever let stats cloud your thinking in what Joseph has done at the major league level defensively. You have constantly been pointing out Schoop and Joseph but how does Lough get a free pass?
Schoop earned a spot in the majors with a fine spring training. Schoop is the best hitting 2nd baseman on the Orioles and in Norfolk. If you think Weeks is the answer you are quite mistaken. We know Flaherty is only there because he hits left handed, even though not very well.
osforlife wrote:David Lough has shown he can hit AAA pitching and major league pitching. He's also out of options and the only back-up center fielder on the 40-man roster. I disagree with your Schoop statement. Schoop has a .227/.269/.346 line in the majors, while Weeks has a .259/.319/.359. In AAA, Schoop has a .256/.301/.396, while Weeks has a .286/.390/.392. Weeks could get twenty net steals in a season too. Schoop has 13 net steals in his career.
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