osforlife wrote:I'm not sure why Matusz and Britton are even being considered for the starting rotation.
osforlife wrote:Also, trading two very quality prospects and a competitive balance draft pick for a fringe starter is ridiculous and Dan Duquette should be held accountable. Don't make a move just to make a move.
thezeroes wrote: The trading of Hoes was from the Forty Man Roster and may very well have been a Waiver Player at some point before now and claimed without any return.
AlexConway wrote:I think it is revisionist history to say the trade was dumb to do at the time. On July 31st, 2013 the Orioles were 1/2 Game back in the Wild Card race. The Orioles were in a position to make the playoffs.
It's now being reported that the Orioles will include LH SP Josh Hader and their Competitive Balance Pick for next year. I see this as an overpay.
I felt that Hader AND the Comp Pick was an overpay.
What bothered me was giving up Hader AND the Comp Pick. We used our comp pick this year on Josh Hart so there's real value there.
I'm sorry; but 2012, as much fun as it was, was NOT a realistic indicator of the talent level of this team. IMO this year offers a much better view of the REAL progress that has been made.
Are we better than .500? Yes. Are we a playoff team? Well, that depends on the level of competition. Is this a team that could go all the way? Not a chance! WAY too many holes in our game.
We made three trades in July. The first two were rentals to make the fans happy and sell tickets. The last one for Norris is the only trade that will help the team next year. Arrieta and Strop were disposable, but Delmonico was a real loss; not because he would have been an impact player in Baltimore, but because he could have helped us sometime in the future land a player that could have helped us for the long term. So, the end result is that we traded three of our top 15 prospects AND our Competitive Balance draft pick next year for Bud Norris. OUCH!
With last night's ugly loss we're on a pace to win 88.5 games and that record is an accurate indicator of the talent on this team. If we finish the year with 88 or 89 wins it will be three or four more than the 85 I predicated before the season began. I saw the holes then and I still see them now.
Davis, Tillman, and Machado have taken steps forward and Hammel and the bullpen have taken big steps backward. A fully stocked farm system might have been able to cover for that, but we don't have one of those. Of our four best RH hitters Jones, Hardy, and Wieters belong on a Saturday afternoon soft ball team where swinging from the heels on every pitch is expected.
We're going to need to make some substantial changes to our lineup this winter if we want to be a WS team in the near future.
FYI - as of August 23rd Hoes has an OPS of .805 in 72 ABs.
Yes, it's a small sample, but it has constantly improved as he's getting playing time. His OBA is only .347, but that's because he's only had two walks. Considering that is was over .400 at AAA with the same batting average I would expect that number to climb.
It really galls me that we traded this guy - EXACTLY the kind of player we need to fix our lineup - along with Josh Hader and a first round draft pick for a #5 SP in order to prop up up a team that hasn't shown itself to be playoff quality all season. WHY? Just to sell some more tickets?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... lj01.shtml
AlexConway wrote:A 1/2 Game out of a playoff spot means your in contention.
AlexConway wrote:I'll just chalk this one up to different philosophies. A 1/2 Game out of a playoff spot means your in contention.
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