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Looking at the Orioles' Bullpen

Looking at the Orioles' Bullpen

PostPost #1 by Tucker Blair » December 19th, 2013, 11:37 am

Will takes a look at the Orioles’ Bullpen after the signing of Balfour.
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Re: Looking at the Orioles' Bullpen

PostPost #2 by AlexConway » December 19th, 2013, 1:28 pm

Great breakdown. I love the added depth. I think the bullpen will be improved this year. Not sure if Matusz is a lock, but he's close to a lock. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.
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Re: Looking at the Orioles' Bullpen

PostPost #3 by LA Detective » December 19th, 2013, 2:37 pm

I agree pretty much with the breakdown. I like what DD has done here. Balfour, Hunter, ODay and Webb matched with De La Cruz if he wins the LH Specialist will form the 6-9 innings. The hope is the stress innings will be spread around including some save situations to keep all fresh.

With a new pitching coach improving his LH Batter splits Hunter could be an all star type of reliever. I believe he could pitch on back to back days if he isnt on pace for 110 innings like he was most of the first half last yr. It was a miracle he didnt get hurt.

I too like Stinson a lot and I too believe he could pitch in the late innings. I believe he is out of options and cant go to AAA. The last spot is the 2nd lefty. I do believe Patton at some point gets traded. I could see Britton pitching in this spot and gaining the experience of how to get ML hitters out. Maybe good enough to get back into the rotation as the year goes on. I believe Matusz will be given every opportunity to start, especially if De La Cruz pitches well. I have seen some reports that say Matusz has an option left. This could be used if he is the 6th best starter out of ST.

I like the depth we have from the other Pen guys mentioned. There is some talent there. One might step up. I also like our depth from the starters that will most likely be in the AAA rotation. I could see some moving parts as the season progresses in the 6,7 and even at times an 8th spot in the Pen. These spots could also change at anytime due to a trade (Patton, Matusz or Britton most likely).

Bottom line, I see the Pen as a strength and we all know how important it was in 2012. It was the biggest reason we were even in the race until the improvements in the line up came the 2nd half.
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Re: Looking at the Orioles' Bullpen

PostPost #4 by thezeroes » December 19th, 2013, 5:38 pm

LA Detective wrote:Bottom line, I see the Pen as a strength and we all know how important it was in 2012. It was the biggest reason we were even in the race until the improvements in the line up came the 2nd half.


This sums up my feelings on the new players/parts of the bullpen. Points for addressing this as the reason for not repeating the ninety plus wins in 2013.
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Re: Looking at the Orioles' Bullpen

PostPost #5 by LA Detective » December 20th, 2013, 10:26 pm

As Earl Weaver always use to say, " U never have enough pitching!" We just lost our closer and 2nd lefty in 24 hours and the season hasn't even started yet!
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Re: Looking at the Orioles' Bullpen

PostPost #6 by osforlife » December 21st, 2013, 10:57 am

Great, organized, easy to read article. If I'm the manager/general manager of the Orioles...

1. TJ McFarland still has the potential to start in some minds, so he becomes one of Norfolk's starting pitchers. Chris Jones and Mike Belfiore both had pretty ERA's last year, but their WHIPS were atrocious. Once they show they can effectively keep hitters off the bases, then they will have spots waiting for them in Baltimore. Brad Brach is sent down to Norfolk for the sole reason that he has an option left.

2. Zach Britton and Brian Matusz are traded for anything I can get. Neither of them have options, and neither of them should be considered starting pitchers in the majors, although some teams might think so.

3. I'm not signing a closer. Paying for saves is one of the most idiotic things to do in baseball. Baltimore won't have a problem finishing out the game if they go into the season with their current group. O'Day and Hunter are better than Johnson, and JJ was capable of starting.

These three points leave Baltimore with a bullpen of Darren O'Day, Tommy Hunter, Ryan Webb, Kelvin De La Cruz, Josh Stinson, Edgmer Escalona, and Steve Johnson. Although, Baltimore may receive potential relievers in the Britton/Matusz trades. Also, I'd bring in Travis Blackley as left-handed insurance, as Matusz/Britton are gone, Patton is suspended, and Jones/Belfiore/McFarland are in the minors. More relievers will be brought in on minor league deals of course.
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Re: Looking at the Orioles' Bullpen

PostPost #7 by ofahn » December 23rd, 2013, 8:41 am

osforlife wrote:Great, organized, easy to read article. If I'm the manager/general manager of the Orioles...

1. TJ McFarland still has the potential to start in some minds, so he becomes one of Norfolk's starting pitchers. Chris Jones and Mike Belfiore both had pretty ERA's last year, but their WHIPS were atrocious. Once they show they can effectively keep hitters off the bases, then they will have spots waiting for them in Baltimore. Brad Brach is sent down to Norfolk for the sole reason that he has an option left.

2. Zach Britton and Brian Matusz are traded for anything I can get. Neither of them have options, and neither of them should be considered starting pitchers in the majors, although some teams might think so.

3. I'm not signing a closer. Paying for saves is one of the most idiotic things to do in baseball. Baltimore won't have a problem finishing out the game if they go into the season with their current group. O'Day and Hunter are better than Johnson, and JJ was capable of starting.

These three points leave Baltimore with a bullpen of Darren O'Day, Tommy Hunter, Ryan Webb, Kelvin De La Cruz, Josh Stinson, Edgmer Escalona, and Steve Johnson. Although, Baltimore may receive potential relievers in the Britton/Matusz trades. Also, I'd bring in Travis Blackley as left-handed insurance, as Matusz/Britton are gone, Patton is suspended, and Jones/Belfiore/McFarland are in the minors. More relievers will be brought in on minor league deals of course.

I could live with this group, particularly if we spend Jim Johnson's 11M on Arroyo or Burnett.
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Re: Looking at the Orioles' Bullpen

PostPost #8 by osforlife » December 23rd, 2013, 10:21 am

ofahn wrote:I could live with this group, particularly if we spend Jim Johnson's 11M on Arroyo or Burnett.

Starting pitcher wise, I'm most interested in AJ Burnett, Masahiro Tanaka, Chris Capuno, and even Matt Garza.
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Re: Looking at the Orioles' Bullpen

PostPost #9 by ofahn » December 23rd, 2013, 10:28 am

osforlife wrote:Starting pitcher wise, I'm most interested in AJ Burnett, Masahiro Tanaka, Chris Capuno, and even Matt Garza.

Agreed on Burnett and Tanaka. IMO Capuano is a minor league signing and I wouldn't be willing to give Garza more than two years guaranteed. Someone will be dumb enough to give him at least four.

I think Peter Angelos could make up for a lot of past mistakes and hard feeling by offering 6/100M (plus the 20M posting fee) for Tanaka. He projects to be a legit #1 or #2 SP that would only cost money. I could only dream of a 2014 rotation that includes Tanaka, Tillman, and Gausman.
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Re: Looking at the Orioles' Bullpen

PostPost #10 by osforlife » December 23rd, 2013, 10:32 am

ofahn wrote:Agreed on Burnett and Tanaka. IMO Capuano is a minor league signing and I wouldn't be willing to give Garza more than two years guaranteed. Someone will be dumb enough to give him at least four.

I think Peter Angelos could make up for a lot of past mistakes and hard feeling by offering 6/100M (plus the 20M posting fee) for Tanaka. He projects to be a legit #1 or #2 SP that would only cost money. I could only dream of a 2014 rotation that includes Tanaka, Tillman, and Gausman.

Agree with your logic on Tanaka. Of course Burnett is my primary choice, but Tanaka is a young ace that doesn't cost the Orioles any draft picks or prospects. I think Capuano is worth one year, $5MM. I like Garza at three years.
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Re: Looking at the Orioles' Bullpen

PostPost #11 by ofahn » December 23rd, 2013, 10:35 am

osforlife wrote:I like Garza at three years.

Two and a third year vesting option at 180 innings and I would agree.
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