A_K wrote:The flip side of that observation: how many Orioles fans will cite Saunders' raw numbers, unadjusted for park factors, next year as evidence the front office made a mistake?
Seafordeagles wrote:It looks like it's time for the young arms to step up. Duquette has made a statement. He would not trade any of the younger pitchers. Saunders gave the Orioles a veteran presence and that craftiness of a lefty. I for one am sorry this deal did not get done. He either is listening to his scouts and coaches or is listening to Peter and not adding salaries.
Juujens is not a done deal either. There's something going on there physically and it's probably not good.
osforlife wrote:Joe Saunders, Dan Haren, and Shaun Marcum all signed one year deals.
thezeroes wrote:Rick Peterson.
His involvement last year gave us an improved Tillman. He gave us a retooled Gonzalez. He gave us up ticks in Hunters velocity. Now his players/pitchers have had a winter of bio mechanic work outs that should bring them in with a better understanding of what it takes to achieve at the Major League level. We should hope that with the success of Tillman, Gonzalez that these other pitchers would be acceptable to Peterson's suggestions. By not getting traded they may have shown management that they are ready to take the next step.
In all fairness I don't think it's appropriate to blame the FO for these guys signing someplace else. Each of them eventually came to the realization that the best deal they were going to get was one year. Forced to accept that decision, they decided to sign in a place where they could rebuild their value. Pitching in Camden Yards against the A L East is the kind of challenge that is not compatible with their short term career goals.
I have no doubt that IF we would have been willing to give Saunders two years he would have signed here, but that deal wouldn't have made sense for us. I would have liked to have him but not at that price.
osforlife wrote:The Orioles weren't in a position to spend on long-term lucrative contracts that could possibly haunt a suspicious contender last year. But, that doesn't mean I wouldn't have overpaid a bit on a couple one year deals. Using baseball-reference's WAR, I was looking at these highlighted player's values from past years and using them to predict my prediction for their future values.
Dan Haren: 3.5 WAR
Shaun Marcum: 2.8 WAR
Seafordeagles wrote:I have a feeling that the Orioles offered him much less than he received from Seattle.