osforlife wrote:For some reason, I am a highly conservative imaginary GM. I like to stay in-house on alot of situatons and only pretend buy free agents when that team specifically has to. This is why I idle the Rays so much and hate the Dodgers so much. And this is why GM's are the GM's and I'll likely be commenting on baseball websites all my life ha. What I'am getting at is, I don't think the Redsox are going to be a good team. Sure, their bullpen will likely get better as well as their offense(at a high, fooolish, cost), but their starting rotation will continue to be very bad. Buchholz has never been effective over a full season as the most starts he's ever had in one season was 29. 2008 was a good year for him but it was cut short. He really hasn't had that many nice results after that. Who knows what Lester will do. Lackey is terrible. Dempster will get eaten alive by the American League and Fenway Park. Doubront had a decent rookie year but isn't supposed to get much better. What I'am saying is, I don't think they'll have a good team. That's why I would give Lavarnway, Nava, Kalish, Gomez, and Ciriaco a full season of at-bats. Again, I'am crazy.
osforlife wrote:Alone Mike Napoli was more effective than Gonzalez. Mike Napoli virtually had the same OBP as Adrian Gonzalez last year. Not to mention Napoli had more homeruns and a better slugging than Gonzalez. Where did you get your information?
birdwatcher55 wrote:To borrow a Buck Phrase, Agon has a good track record of putting up HR and RBI numbers. I would not deal him for the three Red Sox signed. BTW: Agon is a GG calibar player. The other three are let's just say something less
Matt P wrote:RBI's and runs scored aren't complete stats though. They don't ever tell the whole story. A lot of players could have significantly more or less RBI if they were on a different team.
Adding three players totals vs one will typically always favor the three players. The thing you are forgetting is that of the three players you guys are discussing two of them are platoon players and one of them is all bat no glove and that bat isn't anything special.
Not saying that Adrian Gonzalez is a good contract or anything just that the argument is silly.
He said he would not deal Gonzalez for them not that they wouldn't combine to equal his production.osforlife wrote:I don't think anyone would argue with you that Adrian Gonzalez is the best out of that bunch..although Napoli's 2011 season was insane. But, birdwatcher said you likely won't get the production from the three guys they just signed over Adrian Gonzalez's production.
Matt P wrote:He said he would not deal Gonzalez for them not that they wouldn't combine to equal his production.
osforlife wrote:Birdwatcher said: "Good point, Matt. They are essentially spending $32 million next year on three players who combined aren't likely to equal the production Adrian Gonzales would give them." on the first page of this thread.
Matt P wrote:You know, the more I think about it now that they signed Stephen Drew and Ryan Dempster the more I think the Red Sox do actually have a plan.
I think what they are doing is attempting to maintain a .500 team over the next 2 or 3 years that if they get some breaks can maybe make the playoffs while they are focused on the long term success of the team. The thing is, they have extra cash that they can just throw away to keep the fans engaged with the team. They don't need to finish last place every year while they build up a team and save money and risk losing fans.
I could be wrong but if that is what they are doing it's not nearly as bad as I originally thought. They are overpaying players but they have the finances to do it and they are only doing it for the next 2 or 3 seasons. Actually, I kinda think it's a good idea. Why alienate fans as you finish in last place for a few years when you can be an average club that keeps the fans around. It must be nice to have extra cash to do that.
This is exactly what I was expecting them to do while they beat the bushes looking for quality prospects.
Where I can see things getting interesting is when their better prospects are ML ready and the aging veterans they just signed lose playing time. It will take a STRONG hand in the clubhouse to deal with that drama.
Matt P wrote:If they aren't producing there won't be much drama.
I don't think your opinion takes into account the egos involved. If they're still performing at a reasonable level they can be traded, but you're STILL looking at a potential "Youk" situation times at least two and maybe three.
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